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Post by axoloa on Nov 9, 2011 5:41:53 GMT
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Post by Greta on Nov 9, 2011 7:38:15 GMT
Wow they are stunning so so Beatiful never seen a snail like that before O.O sorry I don't know where to get these they must be rare
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Post by axoloa on Nov 9, 2011 9:09:22 GMT
Arnt they  The anoying thing is, these snails are not actualy rare in the wild, only to captivity. Their from the Asian mountains and eat mostly fungus and leaf decay. Their practicaly the same as Hemiplecta distincta but with a very different colouration. People do own this species, as made clear above, Just for some reason their incredibly difficult to keep alive in captivity :/ If I have to il fly over their myself and bring some back lol. Hopefully il be saved the trouble and posibly a little money, if someone apears out of nowhere selling this species to European buyers before I have got over their Probs going to be like 2 or 3 years before I can go over their, especialy with my pretty recent mollusca shopping spri :/ |
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Post by Greta on Nov 9, 2011 16:36:19 GMT
Yeah that is annoying its going to be very hard to find that special seller I wish you luck in finding they are beautiful it will cost you alot for flying into Asia but they might not let you take the snail home though  |
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Post by axoloa on Nov 9, 2011 17:43:20 GMT
lol.. no they wont allow this. But i never mentioned declairing them  Il mail myself 3 or 4 of them via asian air mail and then i will collect a pile of shells and put 3 of them in my suitcase with the shells. If they somehow do get detected "I didnt realise they had a snail in their" Beleive me this works. has dont in the past and will continue to |
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Post by Greta on Nov 9, 2011 18:20:36 GMT
Good plan haven't thought of that pretty clever lol well I wish you luck |
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Post by Greta on Nov 9, 2011 18:22:34 GMT
Where did you do this in the past?
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Post by iloncia on Nov 9, 2011 18:27:38 GMT
lol.. no they wont allow this. But i never mentioned declairing them Il mail myself 3 or 4 of them via asian air mail and then i will collect a pile of shells and put 3 of them in my suitcase with the shells. If they somehow do get detected "I didnt realise they had a snail in their" Beleive me this works. has dont in the past and will continue to ;DWhat a cunning plan... I will try this myself |
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Post by axoloa on Nov 9, 2011 19:23:49 GMT
So far, I have suceeded in this in Mexico and the philippines. I panicked a little in Mexico, because when I went into the airport they were searching thrugh everyones suitcase by hand before letting them check in :/ they just opend the tub and rubbed their hands thrugh almost as if they were checking their was no fire arms in their lol. didnt detect that i had 4 small live snails in their though. not sure what these are but at the time I was pretty sure they were Subulina octana but then I later found out that Subulina ocata were from brazil so im not sure what they are now. I have some Subulina octana though and their identical to the mexican caught snails and living quiet happy in the same enclosure, so I dont know, maybe these were accidently introduced to Mexico at some time :/
second time I did it was from a holiday in the philippines. Brought back a pair of large snails wich had a red and creme combined colouration blotched all over the shell. If you ask me they looked very much like Capaea nemoralis but these had shells that were around 8cm si again im not sure. Those came to an upsetfull ending realy, and im yet to understand their death. both snails layed eggs within 2 weeks of being introduced to their new enclosure in england but the eggs did not hatch and both snails died witin 4 days of laying the eggs :/ probabaly the most depressing snail experience I ever had within my mollusca hobby :/
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Post by wolf on Nov 9, 2011 21:19:23 GMT
Hi, it's kind of irritating discussion, here........ . @ilonca: " I will try this myself", and Greta: " good plan", " pretty clever". I know you are kidding, of course (at least I hope so). If you get trouble at the airport, it´s your problem and not axoloas problem, axoloa being far away...... . And the people at the customs will be deeply impressed about axoloa saying' it's no problem at all...... . If he will take the risk, all right. Usually such things work pretty well several times, but sooner or later you will get into trouble, and my personal opinion is: for good reasons. So, please be careful. I know what I'm talking about, having been in several tropical areas. Personally, I wouldn't be proud of ignoring local laws for protecting threatened species, but - to be honest - I did so once or twice, but only concerning empty shells - on my own risk. Nobody is perfect . By the way: if a snail species is protected by CITES or by local laws, it doesn't matter at all whether you try to export a living animal or just the shell or parts of the animal. I know that some of these regulations are open for discussion, but that doesn't touch or erase the general outline. Just one last remark: Platymma tweediei is a rare species, intensively looked for. Many specimens have died already on their way to Europe or soon in captivity. The offspring is very difficult to rear, so if specimens of Platymma are offered, they are caught wild. So - for my opinion - Platymma should stay where it is, in a protected environment: in Malaysia. Perhaps people in Malaysia should try to establish a breeding project at some research institute. I'm sorry, but "mollusca shopping" and big business in this field should have some limitations in the name of the animals. I was a little bit astonished about some people here being so enthusiastic, but - all right - most people preferred to be silent, so far....... . Kind regards: wolf |
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Post by wolf on Nov 9, 2011 21:30:43 GMT
Sorry, I forgot to add some citations:
CHEW, M.Y., YAO, T.L. & S. KAMARUDIN (2008): Platymna tweediei, a rare gem endemic to the Central Mountains -- Conservation Malaysia No. 8, p. 6-7
SCHILEYKO, A.A. (2002): Treatise on Recent Terrestrial Pulmonate Molluscs -- Ruthenica, Suppl. 2, Part 9, Moscow, pp. 1187-1188
TOMLIN, J.R. Le B. (1938): A new Ariophantid from the Malay -- Proceedings of the Malacological Society 23: 116-117, plate 14A, London
"Platymna" is an error, "Platymma" is right, according to Tomlin, 1938.
Bye: wolf
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Post by axoloa on Nov 9, 2011 22:16:00 GMT
dont know what on earth you just said, but it made no sence at all. if your getting at the fact I said Asia, look on google maps, I think you will find Malaysia is part of Asia!! Secondly, I dont at all disagree that what im doing is ilegal activity, or that its the smugglers own risk. But its an international law that a person cannot be prosecuted for "accidentaly" import/exporting foreighn biological life to a different country. Im a public service national diploma graduate, I know this for a fact, its a unit we coverd. thirdly and finaly, just because the law says dont do it, that dosent mean its wrong. The people who make the law brake the law every day and to be honest not many people can honestly say that the law is perfect in every aspect or that they have never broken it in any way. If people like you dont agree with me then whatever, it dosent bother me. but if people do agree with me then thats up to them to do so and your not in any position to to tell them its wrong. I for one highly support this theory, It stops certain species from dieing out of captivity. This is a good thing not a bad thing.
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Post by heydihoo on Nov 10, 2011 2:39:50 GMT
i used to keep this species 2 arrived dead to me 1 was half dead and one died not long after arriving with me i paid a small fortune for them aswell i do remember someone on one of the forums keeping them well in captivity though
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Post by foghog on Nov 10, 2011 8:12:37 GMT
If people like you dont agree with me then whatever, it dosent bother me. but if people do agree with me then thats up to them to do so and your not in any position to to tell them its wrong. it's his position to say it is wrong as much as it is yours or mine to say it is ok. it's a forum, and everyone has their opinions, and reasons for them. not like anyone has to listen to him...you...or me on anything anyways. I think everything said on this forum should really be stated as a hypothetical however anyways. to speak about illegal activity is just inviting silly problems later down the line, imo. my myself I have never done anything illegal personally, nor will I ever. and even though I know 'of' many people doing many things, I doubt I will ever be able to remember any specific names or circumstances personally. both you and wolf know a lot about the hobby and snails though, so it is good your around imo. |
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Post by axoloa on Nov 10, 2011 12:13:10 GMT
Point well taken and I do agree with what your saying. I reacted wrong to wolfs message, so I appologise wolf. It is your right to have an oppinion on this matter and I was out of order to say otherwise. People do have their own oppinions and I sopose the more diverse opinions on the post the better, as this will let people realise their different options  |
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Post by axoloa on Nov 10, 2011 12:13:51 GMT
and heydihoo, OMG where did you find a seller for these??  do you still know the forum where you found your seller or even better the seller him/herslef  ?? or are you not at liberty to say? :/ |
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Post by wolf on Nov 10, 2011 12:29:32 GMT
@axoloa: no problem, it's all right…….. . I think we both were a little bit emotionally engaged . Kind regards: wolf |
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Post by axoloa on Nov 12, 2011 14:30:06 GMT
yes i think we were |
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Post by heydihoo on Nov 13, 2011 2:52:48 GMT
it was someone in germany that sold them to me i cant remember who it was that had them though
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Post by samyasa on Jan 2, 2012 12:20:07 GMT
Hello, the first photo is photo of my snails This snails are not "unbreeded in captivity" I have them of a few years and they still live. And the F1 babies, what are stayed at home are adult now, so I expecting they will soon establish the F2 generation pups. Already they mate and lay eggs, but a few first litters were not fertilized, apparently they are still not fully sexually mature. Attachments:
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Post by ness on Jan 3, 2012 11:36:56 GMT
Congratulations. I am VERY pleased that this species has had a healthy generation on young in captivity. There are people who have not been able to keep them alive at all and have found it hard to breed them and to raise healthy young. Thank you for the information I hope you have success with your f2 litter. |
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The anoying thing is, these snails are not actualy rare in the wild, only to captivity. Their from the Asian mountains and eat mostly fungus and leaf decay. Their practicaly the same as Hemiplecta distincta but with a very different colouration. People do own this species, as made clear above, Just for some reason their incredibly difficult to keep alive in captivity :/ If I have to il fly over their myself and bring some back lol. Hopefully il be saved the trouble and posibly a little money, if someone apears out of nowhere selling this species to European buyers before I have got over their 
do you still know the forum where you found your seller or even better the seller him/herslef 
?? or are you not at liberty to say? :/
