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Post by Selena on Feb 26, 2015 22:22:56 GMT
now and then i find pearls in the snail tank. They are from the same size as eggs, but are full transparant. It is very mysterious were they came from, what they are and why they exist. but some snails seems involved! They hang around nearby the Pearls and behave very suspiciously. some of them just watch the Pearl with one eyestalk for hours. and some of them tried to taste or touch them. And when i pay less attention for a few seconds, a new pearl could appear near the suspicious snail. and no idea were it came from. I actually expected they going to use the pearl to take a bath, but they didn;t. as quickly and mysteriously as they appear, they disappear as well.
So.. anybody know what these Pearls are? (i think it has something to do with eggs.. but don't understand what exactly) |
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Post by cliath on Feb 28, 2015 9:55:31 GMT
A pic would be helpful.... But maybe they are eggs? How strange!
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Post by muddydragon on Feb 28, 2015 10:01:29 GMT
It's possible they could be sperm packets. I've seen snails when disturbed during mating leave a clear glob of sperm on the substrate (a little like a glob of clear bathroom sealent!) because it's proten rich snails then tend to eat it shortly afterwards which would explain them disappearing
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Post by etana on Feb 28, 2015 15:21:13 GMT
Lol, I'm learning so much from Selena's snails. I had no idea they'd do this either!  I love the mental image of a snail staring at the pearl with one eye stalk for hours. Makes me wish I could read snaily thoughts. |
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Post by Selena on Mar 1, 2015 22:52:45 GMT
Thanks all for comment! Etana, yeah its like i have a lot weird things happening with my snails, or i see several strange details other people don't see easely?
Here's a picture of the Pearls. If it is sperm, how could it be transparant? I thought sperm is white-ish, isn't it? One of my helix made also big Pearls (same size as the fulica;s did!!??) and those are not transparant but grey (like eggs, but as twice as big)
Muddydragon: disturbed during the mating process? it is absolutely, totally, very impossible a snail got disturbed while they mate. That kind of things never happened in my tank:
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Post by etana on Mar 3, 2015 9:12:34 GMT
Selena, I think one reason also is that you have so many snails (many more than I do, for example), there's more chances for all kinds of things to happen. Of course even in a house full of snails, nothing can be seen if one isn't interested in observing carefully! And that you obviously are.  Is that third snail rasping at the love parts of the mating snails? Oh my!  |
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Post by Selena on Mar 9, 2015 8:09:10 GMT
Yeah, you are right. I didn't meand to boast about the fact i see details and suggest other people overlook those things. I wasn't very clear, it was more generally speaking, i often don't see the very Obvious things, but i do see strange details. But i know for sure, most people on this forum see all those details as well. Otherwise, they haven't had so much detailed knowledges (including you) About the pickture: the little rodatzi and the big fulica planned to mate at first site but got disturbed by the Jadatzi. Then the big fulica led the rodatzi behind and mated with the Jadatzi. Thereafter the Rodatzi got jealous ;)and began to behave very irritating. ( i've had done the same ;-))He started to attract attention in several ways during their mating. I don;t think he is rasping on the genitals, (i know it looks like that) but he eats a bit sperm that escaped during the process . |
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Post by etana on Mar 10, 2015 7:34:22 GMT
Oh I'm the same way a lot, I notice details but have trouble seeing the "big picture". It's often not good when I'm studying, or having a long conversation with someone face to face. But with things like pet snails, with whom you really have to stop to look to see anything at all, attention to detail is good because you see SO many funny little things. LOL great story, snail drama is the funniest! Who needs television when there's such stormy love going on in the tanks.  |
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Post by Selena on Mar 10, 2015 15:52:17 GMT
Oh I'm the same way a lot, I notice details but have trouble seeing the "big picture". It's often not good when I'm studying, or having a long conversation with someone face to face.
I recognise that as well. I have problems to tell a short to the point story or give a summery of a situation. I have to tell all the details first and all details together lead up to the main thing, but before i'm finished with all the details, people interrupt me because they think the detail is the main issue. Probably because other people have an other way of communicate?. people often don't understand my way of thinking and i have lots of communication problems. I can imagine you are good at the details, because i recognised it in the way you discribe things in your posts. The way you write is like a writer of literature do. You discribe situations very detailed and visual. I like that. I think you are able to write interesting story's. The way you discribed the (not nice) situation of mr Taavetti par example, it was well written, but the subject not nice of course.
So... your way of writing might be one of the details i have noticed
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Post by etana on Mar 12, 2015 18:38:11 GMT
I recognise that as well. I have problems to tell a short to the point story or give a summery of a situation. I have to tell all the details first and all details together lead up to the main thing, but before i'm finished with all the details, people interrupt me because they think the detail is the main issue. Probably because other people have an other way of communicate?. people often don't understand my way of thinking and i have lots of communication problems.
Awwwww, thanks for all the compliments! I enjoy the way you describe things too, probably because I love the interesting details. I quoted and then bolded the parts of your comment that really made me think. You described the problem so well, I actually thought of it so many times today. I think I finally know why I find it so much easier to communicate by writing on message boards, email or letters: People can see right away where I am going to finish, will (hopefully) read to the end before responding, and won't be interrupting me! When I talk, it's exactly like you say, people think my point is the first detail I say and they respond to that, and I get frustrated and so do the listeners. Like yesterday I was reciting a conversation I'd overheard where some guy was describing their life with OCD. I was saying, "He was describing his OCD, and he said, 'I must check that the stove is off and the fridge door is shut before I can leave my home', ummm...", paused to think, and got a weird look and a "duh" that meant "that's not OCD, that's smart" though I had MANY more things to add that eventually convinced my listener that the guy actually had pretty bad OCD. Indeed, this is something I've not thought of before. I wonder if I should try to start conversations with a some kind of very generic sentence...? Like in the example I said, "I overheard this conversation that this guy had with his friends about his OCD, he had so many problems!" instead of going to the first problem right away and sounding like it was the only thing? Hmm. I don't know if you saw the post where I said it, a long time ago, but I am likely on the autistic spectrum (at the high-functioning end, but still. I am in the process of getting diagnosed right now) and it's like I think "outside the box" because I don't really know by instinct where the box is - I must learn it through experience and careful conscious thought. I was a very weird kid! A lot can be helped with practicing, like I've had to really practice looking at people in the eyes and now it's not so weird anymore (though I don't think I still do it like most other people do), and I do weight training at the gym because I am clumsy and the training helps me understand how my muscles work and where my body is so I don't walk into door frames so much (no kidding). The hardest social situations for me these days are the ones where I'm really not understanding what goes wrong, and it's something really obvious to everyone else so they just snap at me or have some other reaction that I didn't want. In that situation the worst thing is when I try to ask what is wrong and they think I'm mocking them, and things get only worse. This detail thing has been a problem that I couldn't grasp. So I'm really thankful for this insight, Selena. |
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Post by Selena on Mar 12, 2015 22:42:35 GMT
Hi Etana,
its very special to read your comment, i get almost exited about it, No, i didn;t read your first post about autism, but i do know it all the time.it is not something which I'm conscious, I just know. I immediately recognise people from ' my planet' as if we speak the same language on the same frequence. it feels familiar or something, its difficult to discribe, its something it sound a bit weird maybe. I have diagnose autism (asperger) and since the diagnose i got more insights about myself and i could find the right words for it and understand why its important to grasp those things for yourself. I did/do it as well and can;t rest before i understand something completely.
Hopefully my English is not too bad to understand, i'm a bit tired right now and problems to find the right words. Its frustrating, because i want to say so much at this moment!
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Post by etana on Mar 13, 2015 14:27:25 GMT
I got your pm, I have to wait a bit to reply because I need the computer and a quiet moment, but we'll definitely continue this conversation over there and let this thread be around snail sperm pearls. |
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Post by Selena on Mar 13, 2015 15:26:13 GMT
whaha, yeah its almost the same (not) fortunately its my own thread. Thanks for mention it in this thread, i was actually wondering if i need to finish it over here, otherwise it ended suddenly, but you allready did! Just replie when you have the time and rest, dont worrie if it tooks many days or weeks or even years, its okay by me. It must be a nice thing, not a stressfactor or something like an obligation with a time limit.
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Post by muddydragon on Mar 14, 2015 20:11:27 GMT
Thanks all for comment! Etana, yeah its like i have a lot weird things happening with my snails, or i see several strange details other people don't see easely?
Here's a picture of the Pearls. If it is sperm, how could it be transparant? I thought sperm is white-ish, isn't it? One of my helix made also big Pearls (same size as the fulica;s did!!??) and those are not transparant but grey (like eggs, but as twice as big) Hmmm. there are more than i would expect for sperm packets so i'm now leaning towards failed eggs which have been discarded by the animal - possibly due to some problem they may have. Regarding white sperm - so in mammals the whiter the more sperm is present in the semen (usually) however i'm not sure how this applies to non mammals and especially invertebrates as size of sperm and composition of the semen would affect the colour. i can only speak from what i've seen come out of my snails when mating was disturbed mid "transfer" which was clear (also larger but they were margies) still a bit of a mystery! |
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Post by Selena on Mar 14, 2015 22:11:50 GMT
yeah, they look like eggs without scale! i just found an other very transparent yellow one. I posted pictures in a thread of etana about a deformed egg inside this snail and an other rodatzi. The rodatzi who produced the sperm pearl tonight, have no deformed egg anymore. The other one still have a package of deformed, grey big egg things, maybe its related to the Pearls?   |
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Post by Selena on Mar 15, 2015 9:51:04 GMT
He just made even more yellow Pearls and i suppose its the one from the picture!!!the other one has deformed eggs as well, but not that big and not that near to the breating hole. i checked in his shell and its empty now. Maybe he developed deformed eggs and now he;s going to dump them? But why do they have deformed eggs? its not a good sighn. Damn, i just got them a few months and again no idea how long this is and since when they layed their last normal eggs. The previous owner didn;t respond to my questions yet.
as soon as it managed to load the pictures on my laptop i will place them here
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Post by Selena on Mar 15, 2015 10:33:24 GMT
It just happened! |
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Post by muddydragon on Mar 15, 2015 17:36:41 GMT
It's looking more and more like it could be failed eggs. either there is a problem with the parent or they could aborted hybrid eggs.
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Post by Selena on Mar 15, 2015 18:06:02 GMT
so..... to prevent this, its not possible to keep different species together? But i suppose: i'm not the only one with a mixed tank, am i?
all the conflicting information i get from different sources is way to confusing to me, its not that i don't believe you about the hybreds, its just like i'm not able to put all the conflicting information together, i've got so much information about it and i don;t understand or even remember the right info anymore. i never imagined before i start to keep snails it could be so difficult. |
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Post by muddydragon on Mar 15, 2015 18:23:02 GMT
You can keep mixed tanks of species that can't interbreed a quick rule of thumb is species from different genera. So you could keep Archachatina marginata suturalis with Achatina fulica for instance or pleurodonte marginella etc. its species from the same genera (the first part of the binomial name) that generally can't live together because they will interbreed (this is not true for ALL species of snail many members from the same genera do not interbreed but this is a useful quick guide).
Conflicting information exists in all walks of life you have to take the information assess the source and which seems more likely to you based on factors such as scientific publications, experience, status , numbers of people who say X vs Y etc.
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Post by Selena on Mar 15, 2015 20:15:42 GMT
thanks for the advice!
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Post by Selena on Mar 16, 2015 22:36:49 GMT
Fortunately it ain't aborted eggs caused by a mate with an other specie. I asked the previous owner if she saw the transparent eggs before. She didn;t have a mixed tank any way. Despide that, she did saw the transparent eggs a few times appear near the same rodatzi's. She told me it could caused by a lack of calcium. It are likely eggs without scale.
I never saw my rodatzis eat cuttlebone, so i'm going to try an other calcium source for them, let see if it gets better.
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Post by etana on Mar 17, 2015 4:53:39 GMT
Ah, I'm very glad to hear the previous owner answered.
My rodatzi Taavetti didn't know what a cuttlebone was either, he only bulldozed it around instead of rasping. You could try what worked for him though: I figured out his favourite taste (he loved soaked kitty food, so I used some of the water I'd soaked it in), rubbed some of it on the cuttlebone, and put it in front of his face when he was eating (he had to be hungry for this). He wanted the good taste so he had a rasp, and he has happily rasped at untreated cuttlebones for calcium ever since.
Worked with some wild caught snails too, with them I used dilute beer, hehe.
Let us know if you can get your rodatzi to eat some kind of calcium anyway and if the problem continues.
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Post by Selena on Mar 17, 2015 19:46:33 GMT
thanks Etana, The rodatzi's like fish flakes, so i will try it with fish flakes.
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