Leah
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Post by Leah on Dec 13, 2007 12:10:42 GMT
thankyou for backing me up Arno. I am digusted at how rude a certain person is being to me and Paul, dispite me trying to help amoungst the million other things I have to do. Me, paul and some other members worked really hard and you weren't there. We were the last ones, everyone else lost interested and we tried to hold it together. Don't you dare leave such comments about me again. I wouldn't do that anyone else I won't put with it. Don't think that one stuck up, bitchy pm from you means you know anything about me!
AND I REALLY MUST STRESS THAT THIS IS PAUL SITE AND YOU SHOULD RESPECT THAT!
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Post by fabrizio on Dec 13, 2007 15:56:41 GMT
Dear Leah, I'm really displeased at your having been attacked, I don't know what your received PM actually states, but surely as myself I recognize that you and Paul were the very promoters of such an idea, and, although I'm nothing but a recentely joined forum member, I surfed almost the whole website, read your old articles and are able to recognize all of the good work you made about it. By guessing from what you've just written, I believe, as I previously stated in this thread, that it was the very lacking of a good number of concerned peoples around your initial idea, the chief factor leading both of you to quit; projects as the above one, simply can't be carried on individually, without a group of interested, supporting people; I'm sure that both of you did all you could, to make it to start.... Nevertheless, it would be really a pity, if misunderstandings and personal attacks among potentially concerned people, instead of useful debate, will lead this idea to sink again ! As Arno said, I too, am not too concerned if it will start again as IGS or ISA, or any other exterior labeling; no matters how it will be, but I'm convinced that for such a project to work well, the active supporting of long-practiced, experienced people as you and Paul, would be of the utmost value, and unanimously appreciated. So I really hope that all bad frictions among interested people could be settled at last, only the constructive side of each of us could come out, and we could begin to work around the real project! fabrizio
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Leah
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Post by Leah on Dec 14, 2007 9:39:40 GMT
I completely agree. I was sent a pm asking my opinion and I gave some suggestions. However this person for some reason has taken it as a critasism and instead of settling it with me personally I find rude messeges left on this thread for anyone to see. I can't stress enough how much I am try to help, I pointed out some problems, not because I want you all to stop, but because I want them to be solved and not be a problem in the future. This project was very important to me and I absolutely will not put up with anyone being rude to me or the members that worked on IGS. The response I have recieved is so immature, if you can't except some constructive critasism, don't sent me messeges asking for it. I hope that this person can act like an adult for change and put her energy into working on IGS instead of attacking me.
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Post by fabrizio on Dec 14, 2007 14:37:37 GMT
I fully agree Leah, and really hope you will keep on with the project! Also hope that other persons that want to put their criticism, will be able to make it a really "costructive" one, for the sake of the whole project; misunderstandings are too easy, expecially at the very beginning, yet it's easy as well, being overcome by that and fall down into personal attacks, that's very sad... But I hope you won't be dismayed by that, and keep helping to solve the old problems that hampered IGS going on, and encouraging any concerned peoples toward the renaissance of your old project, reassuring members that you (and Paul, if he have time enough of course), are still "there". fabrizio
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Leah
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Post by Leah on Dec 14, 2007 14:46:01 GMT
I can't speak for the other members but I assure you, you have my full support and I would love to help. I'm glad it's appriciated.
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Post by fabrizio on Dec 14, 2007 22:30:31 GMT
Thank you Leah, and I really appreciate your enduring helpfullness! I hope that other members will take notice (and appreciate) of it, so that some first step could be planned fabrizio
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Leah
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Post by Leah on Dec 17, 2007 20:28:40 GMT
wicked.
One thing I would like to mention is the name. We had a discussion the last time around surrounding wether we use the word 'snail' or 'gastropod'. We chose to call it the International Gastropod Society because many of the members at the time used to keep slugs as well and we felt it important to include both. Do you agree?
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Post by Vida on Dec 17, 2007 21:00:55 GMT
I like the idea of a name that includes but don't really like the word, if we are going to take this seriously and want to get publicity. It has to be something that the general public, that has no idea, will find easy and at the same time include snails and slugs. Any suggestions?
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Post by Arno on Dec 17, 2007 21:22:25 GMT
That's not easy,any word that would include both slugs and snails won't be easy to the general public.It's either gastropod or mollusc I think,or you have to call it ............snail and slug Society. But personally I like gastropod better.....if people don't know what it means we just have to tell them.....
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Leah
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Post by Leah on Dec 18, 2007 11:34:57 GMT
I agree with Arno. The majority of the public would probably know roughly what gastropod meant. And thinking about it realisticly, it's not something that will interest many people that dont already know what a gastropod is. It would be publicised but to its target audience, or else we would waste a lot of time. It's something that new members are likely to come looking for, rather than seeing it by chance. For example, if we think about this site, most of the members here probably went on google and typed in something about snails and found it that way. Thats what we need aim for and the best way to advertise, people are only going to join if they already have an interest in keeping or researching snails.
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Post by fabrizio on Dec 18, 2007 17:30:03 GMT
I don't mind that much about naming, but Gastropod perhaps would be more "specific", as we are interested in the full biology of these animals, while the common word "snail" would be found, perhaps, even by a lot of people that are simply searching for snail control or the like.... and I agree of course, about enclosing slugs as well, that makes "Gastropods" (-or perhaps true scientific-greek "Gastropoda"?) more comprehensive... but I repeat, I wouldn't mind too much about it! fabrizio
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Post by Vida on Dec 18, 2007 18:50:43 GMT
I do agree with you but I would like to add, that I doubt members from non-english speaking countries would type gastropod to look for us online. Just a thought.
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Post by fabrizio on Dec 18, 2007 18:56:34 GMT
I understand, you're afraid of difficulties for concerned peoples, to find this Association; it's really important, of course, but perhaps we should be less "pessimist" about that. By the way, I'm one of the mods of an italian newborn (last June) snail forum, that was just named -not by me!- "Mondo Gasteropodi", the World of Gastropods, and deals with Achatina, local terrestrial species (both snails and slugs), and hosts a water-snail section, even some sea snails are dealt with... Notwhitstanding the "technical" naming, most of the members are still "beginners" in the field of "gastropoda", yet they found it by searching for "Achatina", or sometimes for other species we are debating of. So I believe that the words naturally occouring in the website, would be enough to attract concerned peoples from the web... Perhaps, in order to be more "visible" to concerned peoples, we should ask for hosting links or banners, to any possible "snail-concerned" website fabrizio
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Post by coyote on Dec 18, 2007 19:40:39 GMT
Fabrizio's idea of linking to other snail-related websites is a good idea. Doing link exchanges and banners would be a good way to get known quickly.
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Post by Vida on Dec 18, 2007 19:54:52 GMT
Ok, fine by me, whatever you think.
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Post by fabrizio on Dec 18, 2007 20:10:08 GMT
...By soon, I can propose to post a link even to the Admin of italian "Mondo Gasteropodi", although we are most beginners there, as I said... but on the Web, any more link is simply useful!
(Surely I would "introduce" the whole Association goals on there, and I hope someone can be directly interested)
fabrizio
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Arno
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Post by Arno on Dec 18, 2007 22:44:34 GMT
That's a good plan,it'll be interesting to get many members from many countries to join.....
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Post by fabrizio on Dec 19, 2007 21:55:10 GMT
So I'll try to proprose it to them, too
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Post by apple on Dec 21, 2007 4:07:37 GMT
Good!!
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Leah
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Post by Leah on Dec 21, 2007 11:34:39 GMT
I do agree with you but I would like to add, that I doubt members from non-english speaking countries would type gastropod to look for us online. Just a thought. But they're not going to type in 'snail' either. I just want to be as inclusive as possible. And it sounds more proffesional, like we know what we're talking about. Maybe we could put it to the vote.
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Post by Vida on Dec 21, 2007 20:52:10 GMT
There is no need Leah. I don't wish to create difficulties. I never did. If you all think that gastropod is better, then that's ok by me too.
Actually if a non-english person is googling an international snail association, they would probably type snail group or something similar I suppose.
I do actually want to begin doing something, but think it probably better to wait until the holidays are over and start with the new year.
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Post by Rachel on Dec 21, 2007 20:57:58 GMT
i don't think you'll find a happy medium, theres no way everyone will be happy. Some people complain about " why call it the snail SANCTUARY " when its a sanctuary for snails.
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Post by Arno on Dec 21, 2007 22:40:05 GMT
There is no need Leah. I don't wish to create difficulties. I never did. If you all think that gastropod is better, then that's ok by me too. Actually if a non-english person is googling an international snail association, they would probably type snail group or something similar I suppose. I do actually want to begin doing something, but think it probably better to wait until the holidays are over and start with the new year. If you want to do something you can always write something about your snail experiences or anything else (species info for example)you know.
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Post by fabrizio on Dec 21, 2007 23:33:01 GMT
Yes,in the meanwhile some of us could already begin to put down some experiences, immediate projects etc..
And I would think even about a "logo", even if I'm not able to realize it myself; how about a "world picture", superposed to a snail's coil, or a snail shell with Earth, sea and continents "adapted" upon it? Or perhaps, a series of country flags, coiled to make a snail's shell....
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Leah
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Post by Leah on Dec 23, 2007 19:36:33 GMT
Paul did design a logo I'm sure he would let us use again but it would also be nice to see some new designs. When I suggested a vote about the name it wasnt because I'm bothered about which is used, it makes very little difference, but we need to decide for certain, you can't design a logo without a name to put on it.
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