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Post by sezzy5889 on Sept 6, 2005 10:21:34 GMT
maybe thats how they pronounce it in their language
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Post by Kevin on Sept 6, 2005 10:42:34 GMT
maybe thats how they pronounce it in their language Maybe? but I thought one of the reasons for latin names for animals is to give them a universal name that anyone, who speaks any language, would recognize. Rather than common names which may vary from country to country.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2005 16:28:02 GMT
kevin what is the columellar colour of those snails you showed us a picture of?
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Post by Kevin on Sept 6, 2005 16:48:50 GMT
kevin what is the columellar colour of those snails you showed us a picture of? These ones? I think the columella is purple, it looks purple on the underside of the shell lip, i'll try to get a picture now. Heres the best picture I could get Can you tell the columella colour from it?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2005 17:05:50 GMT
oh err...youll have to push the mantle back for me to see (the columella). that inside of the lip might be purple or it might just be from the pigmentation of the other side of the shell
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Post by Kevin on Sept 6, 2005 17:08:10 GMT
oh err...youll have to push the mantle back for me to see (the columella). that inside of the lip might be purple or it might just be from the pigmentation of the other side of the shell Thats as far back as it can go, the inside part of the shell under the lip is purple.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2005 17:35:17 GMT
ohhhh i see the columella is white....i dunno its probably going to remain un-itentified. degneri has very bright purple inside the aperture. lets see how big they get first.
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Post by Kevin on Sept 6, 2005 17:47:57 GMT
ohhhh i see the columella is white....i dunno its probably going to remain un-itentified. degneri has very bright purple inside the aperture. lets see how big they get first. Does marginata have a white columella? is there any species that we can rule out. Also just realised this has taken over a thread about fulica
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Post by Paul on Sept 6, 2005 17:59:25 GMT
The purple lipped Archachatina snails that Bequaert mentions are degneri, purpurea, rhodostoma and ventricosa. However, they are all known to have non-white columellas.
Any chance of pushing the mantle back further to get a proper look at the columella colour. It may fade to white from the inside out. Also, try and get a good picture of the inside and outside lip of the shell. How purple/pink it is and if it contains a red/black or white edge helps a lot to remove possibilities.
if it is white then either the purple banding is coincidental and they are margies (which they look like to me), it is a species Bequaert didn't describe or it is a cross-breed of some description.
Any more info you can give us about it, sizes etc?
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Post by Kevin on Sept 6, 2005 18:06:43 GMT
I'll try to get some pictures of it.
They're shells are about 6cm.
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Post by Annelie on Sept 6, 2005 18:07:46 GMT
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Post by Paul on Sept 6, 2005 18:16:26 GMT
Well, the inside of the lip doesn't look purple on those pics. The columella seems to have a red shadow on it, as do you hands so I suspect it is just white. Perhaps they are buylaerti coz I know nothing about them really. Or, they could be a different sub-species of margie like eduardi or grevillei. I'll have a proper read later when I have some proper time. I'm supposed to be working now Mike, how did we decide on your being buylaerti? Or can you find the thread where we discussed it?
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Post by Kevin on Sept 6, 2005 18:17:24 GMT
Im having trouble taking a good picture of the inside of the shell. I cant take any that shows the colour inside the shell good enough
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Post by Kevin on Sept 6, 2005 18:40:19 GMT
Mike, how did we decide on your being buylaerti? Or can you find the thread where we discussed it? Do you mean Mike? or me? I had thought mine were buylaerti just from looking at different pictures and seeing they're similar, not enough to know for sure of course, so I still have them down as Archachatina Unknown "Nigeria"
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Post by Paul on Sept 6, 2005 19:02:00 GMT
Yeah, I'm getting mixed up, it was you who I discussed it with before wasn't it?.
Can you alter the pics in a paint package so they look more like what you are seeing? That may help.
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Post by Kevin on Sept 6, 2005 19:42:55 GMT
Yeah, I'm getting mixed up, it was you who I discussed it with before wasn't it?. Can you alter the pics in a paint package so they look more like what you are seeing? That may help. I deleted the other pics I took, (they werent good ) But heres the original picture zoomed in, its just like I see it I cant push the mantle back any further than this.
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Post by Kevin on Sept 6, 2005 21:58:45 GMT
Just got this email from Raphael Herz, from achatinidae.com, I earlier asked what he thought the snails were and sent him pictures of them.
"Achatina buylaerti does not occur unfortunately in Nigeria. If your animals originate from Nigeria, there is surely Arch. degneri. Arch. degneri and buyl. see themselves being able outwardly very similarly and only over the discovery site or be determined to the anatomy of the sex parts."
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Post by Paul on Sept 6, 2005 22:34:54 GMT
I suspect they're margies then, coz margies can be found in Nigeria and they don't have a red columella which is distinct for degneri.
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Post by Kevin on Sept 6, 2005 23:01:02 GMT
I suspect they're margies then, coz margies can be found in Nigeria and they don't have a red columella which is distinct for degneri. Im happy to call them margies, we've ruled out them being buylaerti and degneri, so it makes sense I think. what sub-species of marginata are they though?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2005 19:52:31 GMT
any news on the white shelled snails eric?
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Post by eric2 on Sept 8, 2005 19:55:40 GMT
i going to check back at the pet shop on saturday morning and see what they have then
eric
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2005 20:01:02 GMT
remember (i know its highly unlikely) but if the snail has a white body, a black head, and a black lip then its metachatina kraussi
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Post by eric2 on Sept 8, 2005 20:05:11 GMT
i couldn't see the body apart from the foot because they were all really withdrawn into their shells. I told the guy that they shouldn't be soo crowded but he just shrugged his shoulders. I would of bought them all if my parents would let me. I dot think any of the snails could get to any food becuse the tigers i brought home just ate constantly for hours they pilled up to about a quater ofthe way up the tank
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2005 20:06:58 GMT
how big were they?
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Post by eric2 on Sept 8, 2005 20:08:54 GMT
my estimate was 6-8m but i thought the tigers were the same and they turned out t be 9cm
eric
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