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Post by pearthesnail on May 2, 2013 10:45:47 GMT
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Post by morningcoffee on May 2, 2013 11:08:25 GMT
Ive had Pear for nearly a year now and im having trouble knowing what breed she is or what she has been crossed with. When she was sold to me as a baby the seller told me she was an 'Albino Jade' and a 'rarer variety of fulica' so is she a cross breed between the two? She doesnt have the same markings as a normal Achatina Fulica: Instead of having stripes going down the shell she has a plain brown shell with a lot of green in and creamy waves towards the end of her shell (Sorry im a bit rubbish at describing this so ive put in some pics) Can anyone help me to identify her please?  Appears to be an "albino" or white-fleshed Achatina fulica. The shell isn't particularly unusual with its markings or coloration, I've had several fulica that were similar. White-fleshed fulica were sometimes called "white jade" snails in the past, which is probably why it was described as "albino jade" by the seller, but there is no such species. It's just a nickname for white-fleshed fulica. The correct species name is simply Achatina fulica. She looks like a big healthy snail |
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Post by pearthesnail on May 2, 2013 11:25:33 GMT
Ah i see! Many thanks im glad you have cleared that up for me |
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Post by sallysnail on May 2, 2013 13:58:17 GMT
I have just had one of these join me today and was trying to figure this out too.
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Post by malacophile on May 2, 2013 16:56:10 GMT
D'awww! She's quite photogenic, isn't she? She looks so glamorous and charming!  |
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Post by starcrazy19 on May 2, 2013 18:31:29 GMT
Always love seeing pictures of pear, she is ace :)
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Post by pearthesnail on May 3, 2013 19:48:51 GMT
Pear always seems to know when the camera is out lol |
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Post by barnaclesnail on May 3, 2013 21:19:44 GMT
She looks very much like achatina fulica hamillei, although slightly more of a diluted version. They seem to have that particular splotchy pattern at the tip and the green tinge to the shell, as well. Here's another hamillei for comparison:  |
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Post by muddydragon on May 3, 2013 23:45:49 GMT
Hi Barnaclesnail,
As others will probably point out the snail in your photo is not A. fulica subsp. hamelli as the subspecies hamelli looks like a normal A. fulica or rodatzi (A. fulica subsp. hamelli form rodatzi).
That snail looks like an albino A. fulica aka jade it could be a cross between A. fulica and A. fulica subsp hamelli (as are all snails of jadatzi heritage) but is not pure A. fulica subsp. hamelli.
just have to add that they're such beautiful snails!
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Post by vickyholt13 on May 4, 2013 7:00:54 GMT
I love pear so beautiful so cute. I love the jade fulicas there is such contrast in the shell to body and such variety in the hue of colour on there shell. Eventually I would like one as I would love to have a tank with the fulica colour varietys I have a fulica called Brian, a jadatzi with no name yet a slightly darker bodied jadatzi called pikachu ( these came from muddy dragon and I will get round to posting pics) so I'm on the look out for a rodatzi and a fulica jade to join my snail family.
Pear stunning and looks to have a lovely character too
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Post by muddydragon on May 4, 2013 8:57:28 GMT
loving the name pikachu for the rodatzi like jadatzi! (looking forward to seeing pics ) Glad you like them |
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Post by pearthesnail on May 4, 2013 14:45:19 GMT
pikachu thats a great name cant wait to see also barnaclesnail the shell colours on your snail are stunning! I always thought albino jades were the snails with the more stumpy rounded off shell with brown stripes and were smaller? |
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Post by vickyholt13 on May 4, 2013 17:02:58 GMT
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Post by barnaclesnail on May 4, 2013 18:58:30 GMT
pikachu thats a great name cant wait to see also barnaclesnail the shell colours on your snail are stunning! I always thought albino jades were the snails with the more stumpy rounded off shell with brown stripes and were smaller? Thank you! I could be mistaken, but I think the albino jades have a yellowish shell  Ignatius might be mixed, but he was bought as an albino body hamillei, and now that he's a bit older, the coloration has dulled down a bit and is very similar to yours. He even has the greenish tint where his newer growth is. |
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Post by pearthesnail on May 4, 2013 20:21:54 GMT
Hmm im not sure i dont have a clue when it comes to snail breeds, but Pear never used to have green on her shell either in fact she looked very different when she was younger. And vickyholt13 clicked on your link and your snails are gorgeous! Love the shell patterns and pikachu looks like such a sweetie with his little grey face! |
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Post by muddydragon on May 5, 2013 10:26:42 GMT
it all depends on common nonclamature rather than scientific nonclamature which can get confused especially with albino as it can refer to skin or shell but here's a quick run down of the snails.
Quick run down of A.fulica types and colours:
Name: A. fulica. Colour:typical normal colour. common names: fulica, normal fulica etc
Name: A. fulica form albino. Colour: brown shell albino body. Common names: jade, albino jade, albino fulica
Name: A. fulica subsp hamelli. Colour: looks like "normal" A. fulica common names: hamelli commonly confused for "normal" A. fulica
Name: A. fulica subsp hamelli form rodatzi. Colour: Yellow shell dark body: common names: rodatzi
No albino version of hamelli has been reported previously it is much more likely to actually be a cross between the jade and the hamelli. All the following are constructs from cross breeding the subspecies hamelli with the albino form of A. fulica (aka jade). These snails have become so common and the nominate race and subspecies kept together so frequently that the vast majority of younger snails have very probably (in my opinion) one of these crosses in their history .
name: A. fulica construct jadatzi form jadatzi. Colour: yellow shell albino body. common names jadatzi, full albino jadatzi
Name: A. fulica construct jadatzi form rodatzi. Colour: Yellow shell dark body. common names: dark jadatzi, rodatzi (commonly confused for "pure" rodatzi and often sold as such)
Name: A. fulica construct jadatzi form jade. colour: dark shell albino body. common names: jade (commonly confused for "pure" jades and likely sold as such)
Name: A. fulica construct jadazti form "normal". colour: as normal fulica. common names: fulica, jadatzi normal (commonly confused for normal fulica and commonly sold as normal fulica)
So the albino hamelli is likely to be a cross aka A. fulica construct jadatzi form jade (i have not seen many of these).
Pear is either A. fulica form albino (aka jade) or A. fulica construct jadatzi form jade
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Post by pearthesnail on May 5, 2013 18:47:03 GMT
ahh i see! I understand more clearly now thanks for the help muddydragon! Where does the green tint in the shell come from? |
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Post by muddydragon on May 6, 2013 9:34:39 GMT
well the snails shells are made up by layers there's many components to the colouration. Slowgrowth due to cold contitions for instance tends to result in larger darker bands on the growing snail. there is a genetic element however such as seen in jadatzi or the different banding patterns in capea. General websites will tell you that the final layer on the shell is the one that gives the colour but i would be willing to bet there's layers involved in that layer too (and i'm too lazy to hunt through the literature right now but you could try google scholar). i suspect the green tint is the outermost layer on the "normal" pigment layer or the "gloss" layer what i suspect to be a very thin nailvarnish like layer on top of the normal pigment layer and perhaps the green is not green atall but a structural rather than pigmented colour due to the thickness of the layer . This is all guesswork though. I'm sure there's people on here who have researched the shell pigment colours more thoroughly and may be able to give you a much better answer. then again it could also be linked to diet. It's not limited to jades however here's some of my old (sadly deceased) "normal" A. fulica. These were from before the jadatzi breeding program began in ernest and so are more likely to be "pure" normal A. fulica showing some greenish pigmentation: petsnails.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=snailpictures&thread=8315&page=1 (especially james, napoleon and indiana.) Interestingly you don't usually see the green pigmentation in jadatzi but i think i'm seeing some green sheen appearing in a couple of my jadatzi (i also had one complete throwback to normal colours in the clutch so it may be trait linked more to the A. fulica "normal" than to the A. fulica subsp hamelli) i'll try and get a piccy sometime - but it's not too obvious. |
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Post by pearthesnail on May 9, 2013 12:48:35 GMT
Aww your old snails were beautiful (sorry to hear that they arent with you anymore) Thanks for the help ive learned loads from that |
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Ignatius might be mixed, but he was bought as an albino body hamillei, and now that he's a bit older, the coloration has dulled down a bit and is very similar to yours. He even has the greenish tint where his newer growth is.