Panthera owners beware! the truth!

[LisaLQ]

Sorry Sarah, but I agree too. It seems like an awful lot of suffering just to prove a point you already knew.

[Ruth]

I have to agree that it was a hard-hearted and unncessary thing to do. I mean, didn't you already loose all (20ish?) of your margie babies to exactly the same thing (or was it just a couple and the others died from unknown reasons? i can't remember now) so its not like you weren’t aware of the possible risk.

I appreciate this side-issue shouldn’t commandeer the true topic of this post but I don’t think we should be seen to be encouraging this kind of thing as I’d hate to think that others may follow suit. I know you mentioned in the past that you also did another experiment involving a batch of fulicas babies that resulted in half of them dying (can't quite remember what scientific fact you derived from that now although i'm sure that it was ground-breaking stuff) but maybe you should consider leaving the scientific experiments to those with the skills and knowledge to carry them out in an ethical and proper manner.

[KathyM]

Going back to the actual method of the "experiment" - I was wondering what observations you made of the snails actually eating the ventri? Because I'm concerned that both times this has happened, the actual "act" wasn't witnessed (the first time understandably), which renders the experiment potentially unhelpful (without witnessing it we have no idea which one did it or why - sexual/food/what-have-you). I think I agree that these kinds of experiments should be left to the experts, otherwise we're going to have people doing this with very little proper scientific outcome. Also proper observation would've prevented the horrendous injuries, and considering this was done on purpose, that seems really unecessary and to me cruel.

[books]

:)hello i am not sure what x Sarah x was think of putting them in the same tank i think you need to leave the experimenting alone if you do it again watch them don't leave them in there all night poor thing must be in pain if you were your snail you would like your mum and dad to get you out (owner's) if you no your snail likes eating other snails keep him or her on there own for your snails safety i never feed my snails on meet don't wont them to get use to it they would kill each other just please stop experimenting.


p.s as i only got Giant African Land Snails Achatina Fulica and giant land snail achatina immaculata what are Achatina Immaculat var Panthera are they the same as achatina immaculata i would love to no thanks.

[Kevin]

panthera are a form of Achatina immaculata, they are both the same species, most of the immaculata in captivity now resemble var. panthera because of theyre elongated, striped shells, and are probably the result of different forms crossbreeding, so they're all basically the same now.

[books]

hee yea i new that there is some on ebay but i cant get them under 18 any 1 selling them joking ;D

[deeks35uk]

I actually caught one of my young panthera rasping on the shell of my older two tone, I picked it off and put in on the cuttlefish and it just carried on rasping on the cuttlefish.....my observation.....he's a lazy git and just didnt want to slime the extra 5 inches to the cuttlefish!! LOL

(now all seperated!!!)
Ellis

[marco]

good thing this post was brought up as i just bought a panthera, not sure if the ellis is above is the person that i bought it off or not but i got it off ebay from some one called ellis. now i know to keep him seperated, thanks. on the other hand, i see it as uneccesary to put such a healthy fione creature under that torment... putting any snail alone in those conditions is not right, but at the least, an important peace of knowledge has been put forward, and only too soon

[deeks35uk]

Hi Marco,
Yes it was one of mine, there is a mention of this in my ebay group "the snail trail" and on my own forum thesnailtrail.proboards77.com/index.cgi.

Ellis

[Miranda]

the last pic, is it organs there or lumps of skin, calcium would heal a shell, but i expect vitamin c and protien would help him heal, if it was hurting him he would not move or retract and not come out, theres a good chance hell heal , * for your raspified snail*

[Miranda]

Here is aliink on what to do to help him heal:

www.petsnails.co.uk/problems/wounds.html#start

[LisaLQ]

I'm fairly certain he'll have already healed, as this is an ancient thread.

[coyote]

mimi said:

Here is aliink on what to do to help him heal:

www.petsnails.co.uk/problems/wounds.html#start

There's a link on that webpage describing a split tail case that doesn't work. "The thread you are trying to access does not exist."

[kanin]

I agree, I can't possibly see why this "had" to be done.
Immacs are known for this behavior so why try prove your point with this cruel experience?
You already knew they would do that.

[Deleted]

please don't bump very old threads for no reason.

[christina]

hey!

I have had the same problem with one of my archachatina marginata. a couple of days ago she rasped the wild caught archachatina degneri (the degneri lives in the same tank, it´s a one meter one). i seperated the degneri and after one or two days i took the degneri back. because the degneri was going to have her winter sleep. but days later the same margi (i have two of them in the 1 meter tank) did the rasping again so i seperated the margi. now shes still seperated but im worried about her winter sleep (i dont know if she can do it if she is not in the normal tank).

i realy dont know what to do - do you have any ideas?!

christina

[coyote]

The margi rasped the degneri's shell, or its actual body?

[christina]

the margi rasped only the body.

[coyote]

Wow, I've never heard of margies rasping other snails. Was it the head or the foot getting rasped?

[christina]

It was the hole body, but mostly the head because the margi can´t get at the foot.

[christina]

last night the degneri died...

[coyote]

I'm so sorry, Christina.