LisaLQ
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Post by LisaLQ on Jan 17, 2006 13:35:00 GMT
Oh dear, I'm so sorry. You must be worried sick about your others - might be something going round
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Post by section8angel on Jan 17, 2006 13:35:15 GMT
Oh no so sorry.
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Post by felix93 on Jan 17, 2006 14:25:32 GMT
Oh no, 3 within such a short time. I am sorry Sarah
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Post by sezzy5889 on Jan 17, 2006 15:04:34 GMT
i'm not sure the smithii, i have no idea why he died, the other two were pretty coincidental (sp ?) the fulica has been up and down now for 5 months and got worse over christmas and the reti well, wasn't doing great but i moved him into the bigger tank with the others and he had a bit of shell growth......
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2006 15:41:07 GMT
oh im sorry sarah. do u have any idea why the albino reticulata died?
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KathyM
Achatina tincta
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Post by KathyM on Jan 17, 2006 15:42:39 GMT
i'm not sure the smithii, i have no idea why he died, the other two were pretty coincidental (sp ?) the fulica has been up and down now for 5 months and got worse over christmas and the reti well, wasn't doing great but i moved him into the bigger tank with the others and he had a bit of shell growth...... Oh no, I'm so sorry. What was wrong with them? It does sound a bit more than coincidence when 3 snails die so close together.
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Post by sezzy5889 on Jan 17, 2006 15:52:22 GMT
oh im sorry sarah. do u have any idea why the albino reticulata died? My only thought is over heating, only because he was next to the heat mat, but it seems pretty unlikely, but he was the smallest in there by a cm. If another snail dies i shall take action because everyone else is healthy
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2006 15:58:21 GMT
have u checked for any parasites and stuff? or maybe its something on the food?
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Arno
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Post by Arno on Jan 17, 2006 16:03:44 GMT
sorry to hear this,Sarah,hope it's ended.
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Post by sezzy5889 on Jan 17, 2006 16:04:17 GMT
the tank is clean as it was only cleaned out on sunday, theres no mites or anything, and i shouldn't think it's the food because they have all eaten all the food and the rest are ok
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KathyM
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Post by KathyM on Jan 17, 2006 16:06:27 GMT
You must be so worried. Might be best if you hold off getting any more or selling any until you know what's going on Don't know if you had anything like that planned though. Hope everything picks up soon.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2006 16:07:37 GMT
lets hope its just a coincidence
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Post by sezzy5889 on Jan 17, 2006 16:09:13 GMT
You must be so worried. Might be best if you hold off getting any more or selling any until you know what's going on Don't know if you had anything like that planned though. Hope everything picks up soon. Well i wasn't going to send out any snails until the warmer weather anyway so there should be enough time to find out, same on getting snails, none are arriving until the warmer weather.
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Post by sezzy5889 on Jan 17, 2006 16:09:55 GMT
i'll be keeping a close eye on the rest
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KathyM
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Post by KathyM on Jan 17, 2006 16:17:38 GMT
You must be so worried. Might be best if you hold off getting any more or selling any until you know what's going on Don't know if you had anything like that planned though. Hope everything picks up soon. Well i wasn't going to send out any snails until the warmer weather anyway so there should be enough time to find out, same on getting snails, none are arriving until the warmer weather. Sounds like the best idea - better to be safe than sorry. esides, means you get to hold on to those gorgeous fulica babies for longer! ;D
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Post by fredrik on Jan 18, 2006 8:35:23 GMT
Wait a minute!
Are you guys suggesting that the fault is mine and not yours or what are you suggesting?
I feel very offended at the moment. If I am mentioned in a thread, I would appreciate if someone could notify me, so I have the chance to reply or at least, have the chance to say that I'm sorry to hear that you have lost your snails. Or is it too much to ask?!!!
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Post by fredrik on Jan 18, 2006 8:47:17 GMT
By the way, there are reasons why I'm not visiting the forum frequently. You guys have my E-mail if any of you need to say or ask me of something...
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Lottiz
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Post by Lottiz on Jan 18, 2006 8:50:11 GMT
omg! One of my albino reti's died last night, grrrr 3 snails in 3 days i can't believe it oh,,sarah, I'm so sorry, but I don't think you can blame Fredrik for it... I know his snails are absolutely healthy. My 3 are all very nice... I hope you haven't got any bad deices from outside? Do you got wilds with your captive? I really hope no more are going to die for you...poor you!
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Post by Paul on Jan 18, 2006 8:52:06 GMT
I don't think anyone is blaming you, the reason you got mentioned is so people can get a clearer picture of what is going on, to see if there is some relationship between the deaths; weak batch etc.
In this case though I don't think that is applicable. I'd still love to know on average how many of a clutch make it to adult size. It's something we never know because we send the babies out and from that point on they are all kept differently. But imagine if the adult viability was only 50%, it would explain many deaths along the way as natural.
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Post by fredrik on Jan 18, 2006 9:35:30 GMT
I see what you mean Paul. But I don't think that the batch were weak. I have sold alot of A.smithii within Sweden and I haven't heard of any of them who has died or got sick. All of the ones I have left are doing great, eating, growing and pooping loads.
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Post by Paul on Jan 18, 2006 10:23:10 GMT
That's fair enough.
I think the point needs to be made, that unless you receive a snail that is clearly in a bad state of health, the breeder isn't to blame when illness occurs. There is no real control over the breeding process in the first place. None of us are professional breeders, there's too little info out there for that. Take my immaculata for instance, when I sent them out they were all in perfect health. The tigers all went out and I know a few people got a few runts, but they were rare and people were made to realise tiger babies didn't have a good track record, and some had already died. That's all you can do. Every problem I have ever had couldn't have been predicted or known at the time the seller sent them to me. It is interesting to know the relationship between ill snails for academic reasons. I work on the principle that I am at fault, then illness, then genetics. And we know so little about their needs it can be baffling why a snail is not doing well in conditions that others are. We can get sick drinking water in a different part of the country for a week or two. There are so many factors at work.
Also, I know Fredrik likes to hear back about how his babies are doing, as I do. Unfortunately, I've not been sending progress reports as often as I should. So I want to encourage more of this. The seller themselves is the best person to track any genetic problems rather than us all hoping to hear off people who got siblings.
I'm not arguing with anyone, I'm just stating this to make sure everyone understands that personal attacks without good reason are unacceptable and to assuage any fears that this isn't simply a hunt for genetic similarities, which I believe it is.
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Post by fredrik on Jan 18, 2006 15:06:57 GMT
Well said Paul. I'm always interested of hearing how the snails I have sold are doing. And as most of you know, I would never dream of selling a snail in bad health.
But still, I would like to hear what Sarah and Lotsofsnails were thinking...
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LisaLQ
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Post by LisaLQ on Jan 18, 2006 16:01:37 GMT
Hey up, I think someone's got their wires crossed here, wonder of the internet and all that - we cant tell emotions through posts. I dont think either Sarah or Mike were suggesting there was anyone to blame - they were merely asking if others from the same batch had the same problem. If you rear a litter of any animals, and there is a problem with one or two - the first thing any owner would ask is if there were problems in the line. That doesn't mean they blame anyone. A good breeder needs to know these things for future reference. But I know if one of my pets was ill, the first thing I'd ask would be if anyone else had had the same problem with theirs. Obviously contacting the breeder privately is a bit more tactful, but it's certainly not something to be offended by. One of my pets was diagnosed with an illness that I knew her "uncle" had also had. Because the first thing I found out was that her "uncle" also had it, it gave me info for the vet, and a diagnosis. Doesn't mean I was saying the breeder was wrong.
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Post by fredrik on Jan 18, 2006 16:51:45 GMT
Hi Lisalq
My point is that I would like to be notified when something is wrong with animals sold by me. I don't wan't to find out about it, going through threads...
I must say that I disagree with you. If any of my animals are sick, eats less or anything else odd, I would first of all, find out if I could have done something wrong. Maybe the temperature has been incorrect, could the food have had remains of pesticides, how about the humidity and many other questions. When I don't find an answer to any of my questions, I will contact the breeder to see if he have had similar problems with his/her offspring or if anyone else have encountered the same problems.
And finally... Why shouldn't I be allowed to be offended of something I find is wrong? And as you say, we can't tell emotions through posts, and that would include you as well. You can't tell what they were suggesting by only reading the post, could you? See what I mean? It's difficult to write messages on the internet, since all of the things we write can be interpret in so many ways...
Best wishes Fredrik
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Post by sezzy5889 on Jan 18, 2006 18:28:42 GMT
Im not offending you at all, Mike asked me if thye were from you and i said yes and that the others aren't growing as well as i would like, sorry if it sounded another way, but im not pointing at you if thats what you think
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