|
Post by sezzy5889 on Feb 19, 2006 15:37:20 GMT
|
|
Moracai
Archachatina degneri
Posts: 959
|
Post by Moracai on Feb 19, 2006 15:58:20 GMT
Well, at least they are cute!
|
|
|
Post by sonicsnail on Feb 19, 2006 16:00:37 GMT
Awwww, never mind eh, they look still look great! Sorry for my ignorance, but rodatzi are a blonde form of fulica, right? I'm not sure, but does that make them normal fulica then? Are rodatzi just like an albino form of fulica? So rodatzi parents may or may not have rodatzi babies, so they could turn out to be fulica? Omg, this makes me sound so stupid lol.
|
|
|
Post by sezzy5889 on Feb 19, 2006 16:01:59 GMT
mmmm, it's just dissapointing because poth parents of these were albino shelled and yet none of the babies are, they are 6-7cm btw
Would anyone like 2 of these for a small price?
|
|
|
Post by sezzy5889 on Feb 19, 2006 16:03:07 GMT
Awwww, never mind eh, they look still look great! Sorry for my ignorance, but rodatzi are a blonde form of fulica, right? I'm not sure, but does that make them normal fulica then? Are rodatzi just like an albino form of fulica? So rodatzi parents may or may not have rodatzi babies, so they could turn out to be fulica? Omg, this makes me sound so stupid lol. I'm not sure, i can't find my last thread, people were saying something about them being normal fulica with blonde shells or something
|
|
|
Post by sonicsnail on Feb 19, 2006 16:04:06 GMT
Lol, so you don't know then? This is like the dimi/immac thing, so confusing...
|
|
Moracai
Archachatina degneri
Posts: 959
|
Post by Moracai on Feb 19, 2006 16:06:04 GMT
Would anyone like 2 of these for a small price? Please don't look at me when you say that! *runs*
|
|
|
Post by sezzy5889 on Feb 19, 2006 16:08:37 GMT
i'm not looking at you Kevin has already bought 2 of these and i have decided to sell another 2 and keep the last 2 for myself, they are growing so fast and i don't really have the room for them, not to mention they are right little characters, cheeky monkeys, lol ;D
|
|
|
Post by sonicsnail on Feb 19, 2006 16:10:20 GMT
So...Are they fulica? Out of interest, how much and how big are they?
|
|
Moracai
Archachatina degneri
Posts: 959
|
Post by Moracai on Feb 19, 2006 16:10:35 GMT
Got just enough room in the fulica house for Winnie! *grins* but those are beautiful! No! I must say no! *hides*
|
|
|
Post by ian on Feb 19, 2006 16:13:47 GMT
They are lush, maybe if you inbreed them a couple might come out albino shelled. Im really tempted i especially like the one in the top left corner, how much with postage??
oh no i cant, although when you have the iredalei babies-(which is still want some of) and if you still have some of these left ill take them. Then can have them all delivered together or something.
|
|
|
Post by sezzy5889 on Feb 19, 2006 16:16:26 GMT
well if rodatzi are normal fulica then yes, both parents of these were pale shelled, i call them rodatzi, as babies they were a lot lighter than normal fulica babies, i just don't know whats happened, They are 6-7cm shell length... I sold the last ones for £3 each and £3 p+p because they would be bigger when it was time to send out (they were only 3-4cm when i sold the other two) i may sell them for £2 considering they have turned out like this, although looking on the bright side they may produce pale offspring, if you dare to try it, i am :-)
|
|
|
Post by sonicsnail on Feb 19, 2006 16:22:12 GMT
Hmmm, I'm tempted. No..no...can't have any more fulica, but they are so pretty! Must get one!!! No...no...must resist! Oh, what am I going to do lol.
|
|
|
Post by ian on Feb 19, 2006 16:24:50 GMT
Im really tempted-i decided that i would not have any more fulica but these are fulica rodatzi so its a whole different thing, right?.
|
|
|
Post by sezzy5889 on Feb 19, 2006 16:27:19 GMT
I think they've found a home, if the circumstances chance i'll let you know
|
|
|
Post by sezzy5889 on Feb 19, 2006 16:36:43 GMT
|
|
Kevin
Archachatina dimidiata
Posts: 2,227
|
Post by Kevin on Feb 19, 2006 17:02:27 GMT
Even though they havent turned out looking like rodatzii they are still very nice snails
|
|
|
Post by sonicsnail on Feb 19, 2006 17:09:10 GMT
I wonder who got them in the end?
|
|
|
Post by section8angel on Feb 19, 2006 17:17:15 GMT
I think we discussed about them just being albino shelled fulica. The pictures I found didn't show them with an albino body, so it was just the shell. And I think Gabi (or someone else, can't remember) said it could be like it is with getting albino bodied snails, they have to have the gene? *Mumbles on* lol. Mine are still small, but they still don't look like any of my fulica babies have. Will have to wait and see though. Sorry about yours Sarah. They do look lovely anyway
|
|
apple
Archachatina degneri
Posts: 1,078
|
Post by apple on Feb 19, 2006 19:02:02 GMT
very nice fulicas
|
|
|
Post by Paul on Feb 19, 2006 19:25:39 GMT
Rodatzi are simply the albino-shelled form of fulica var. hamillei. And I have just found something interesting...
"Although found in the same localities or even in the same colonies with A. f. hamillei, from which it is evidently derived, the abino race rodatzi appears to be most frequent in the drier or semi-desertic portions of the general area covered by the species"
If they mix, that raises many questions. I had been forced to assume that variants albino or otherwise were defined because they persisted in time. So just because you had an albino fulica, you wouldn't consider it a rodatzi. But I'm unsure of the taxanomical nature of these labels. They seem to be geographic, which makes sense because you have discernable types unlike in captivity where all sorts of interbreeding may have occurred. But I need answers from a taxonomist about this. I have a contact email address of a guy so I'll fire an email over.
Still doesn't explain if yours should have been rodatzi without knowing if yours are hamillei or normal fulica lol. And I wouldn't even go there. I've read through it and as far as I can tell, the only real difference is proportion and size and there's not much in that. I doubt fulica in captivity even slightly represent wild forms anymore.
I think it would be acceptable to call albino-shelled fulica, rodatzi if we know that a pairing would produce stable albinos like the margies have proven to. Rodatzi can also have some traces of red/brown stripes on a few whorls so really it is based on the lion's share of the shell. The shell is perfectly white but the periostracum is yellowy.
As far as I understand genes, two albino parents would produce 100% albino offspring. An albino crossed with a non-albino parent carrying the albino gene, would give you a 50% chance of albino babies and two non-albinos, both carrying the albino gene would give you a 25% chance.
But that assuming only one gene is responsible...
|
|
|
Post by sonicsnail on Feb 19, 2006 19:39:26 GMT
Thanks Paul, I'm now certain about what Rodatzi are. That makes it a whole lot clearer.
|
|
|
Post by sezzy5889 on Feb 20, 2006 10:25:33 GMT
Do you think they coul be a rodatzi x fulica? The snail that laid them was deffinately a rodatzi but the 'father' unknown.
|
|
LisaLQ
Archachatina papyracea
Old friend (emphasis on the "old")
Posts: 2,995
|
Post by LisaLQ on Feb 20, 2006 13:34:32 GMT
I thought both parents were albino shelled?
|
|
|
Post by sezzy5889 on Feb 20, 2006 13:45:51 GMT
well thats what i thought, but i was speaking to Melly last night and she says the snail that laid them was rodatzi but not sure who the other snail was, but the only possibilities are fulica or another rodatzi
|
|