Classifieds sections

[sonicsnail]

Ok, I have just had yet another idea! Why not have two sections to Classifieds? One part could be a "wanted" section and a "for sale" section. This may make it a little easier to see who's selling snails and who wants to buy. Of course, you could just look on members snails list. However, it would be much easier to look in the two parts of Classifieds.

[Deleted]

i guess its quite a good idea..

[section8angel]

I think maybe Paul thinks it's easier to look on the wanted/owned list as that's why it was made? lol

-Personally- I think that if we made 2 parts to the classifieds we would need to make a 1 thread per species rule or something, and then everyone who wants that species can post in that thread and say so.
Otherwise it's just going to be lots and lots of pages to read through when half the people want the same species (Kinda like now lol) So it's easier to just look at one thread?

It probably wouldn't be any good for the buying section though as people could get confused with who's selling what and how many etc. So that's probably better staying as it is.

P.S Stop trying so hard to come up with ideas, the best ones appear when you least expect it!

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section8angel said:

P.S Stop trying so hard to come up with ideas, the best ones appear when you least expect it!

hehe yeh...

[sonicsnail]

section8angel said:

P.S Stop trying so hard to come up with ideas, the best ones appear when you least expect it!

Firstly, I believe that there's nothing wrong in having ideas that you might as well mention. Secondly, I'm not trying hard to come up with ideas, they just happen to cross my mind and yes, I didn't expect this idea. Thirdly, I don't want to get personal, but I haven’t seen you, Sian, suggesting any ideas for the forum. (Well not on the Suggestions & Improvements section.) I'm just offering possible improvements to the forum.

Sian, you mention that it would cause confusion in the buyers section. How exactly? You can see who is selling what from the member who made the thread and states what they are selling and how many.

I partly agree with you that many of us want the same species, but does that really matter? I can't see how that would affect how the system works.

It's fine if other people have a difference of opinion, after all we are all entitled to. This idea came to me after I thought, well other forums have a Classifieds "wanted" section and a "for sale" section. So how would it not work on this forum?

[copigeon]

Its a nice idea, but I never understood the need for wanteds, unless its fulica.

All the lesser available species are always advertised if available and snapped up often on first come first served basis. So saying you want something just clutters the classifieds anyway.

But, if youre new and interested in more species its the first thing you want to do and the best place for it.

Sonic snail is right, classifieds does look a bit of a mess, but I dont think wanted adds alone justify a whole new forum section, because very few people would bother in my opinion to read the endless lists of "I'd love a.." posts.

Sians idea sounds workable, it would be good to have guidelines for thread titles, like in the.... retailers and reviews? bit, something to say how you should lay out your thread title and maybe even first post to avoid confusion.
Something standard, makes it look like a classifieds section Formal.
Then you could have the wanted and available adds side by side and be neat and perfect and it would look rather grand. Well done old chap.

[Paul]

Well, it's already in the pipeline but done completely different to how you have described. The idea is that you all will select your wanted/available species in the website member section. When something is placed in available it will immediately email anyone who is waiting for that species if they wish. You can search for species that way and it will be tied into the classifieds section of the website. I didn't want a forum classifieds, as it is so messy.

The thing that is holding up this and a lot of other sections is the taxanomic database. It will be the backbone to a lot of the site and it is necessary if people are contributing more and more. It will stop duplication, errors and creative spelling and it means that whole thing can be tied together automatically with links. So your classified ad will link to the relevant species pages etc. I have made quite a bit of progress but I have to put together a working model that works for all species. This may seem over the top at the moment because we have so few species in captivity but I intend to do it once and once only and then it will be done. As soon as this is complete you'll see other things appearing a lot quicker.

[sezzy5889]

Yes i think it's a good idea, if people want a species then they can look in the availabe thread, i find it a bit stupid when people can see on the list that there are none available and still put a wantde add in, and even if they did, i wouldn't find a plroblem with lots of people wanting the same because lots of people are from different countries and it means we can have a look and if it's someone in our country then it will be easier to send or the first you'd chose to send to, so i think congrats for coming up with a simple but good idea :-)

[Paul]

sezzy5889 said:

i find it a bit stupid when people can see on the list that there are none available and still put a wantde add in

Exactly that is the point, they are there for reference in case anyone acquires some, so you don't have to check a forum every day of your life. But no-one will bother to contact someone if they have an unusual species because they will be snapped up quickly. So, how much better it would be if people could put requests in, and get emailed should someone ever come along with what they want, either available or just to put you in touch with an owner. That is what I'm aiming for, any solution on the forum will be pretty crap I think.

[sonicsnail]

Paul, you mention of a system where an email would be sent through if someone is selling or buying what you want. I think that's a great idea! Now having second thoughts about my first idea about two sections, I now think that it is not necessary to have a "wanted" section. It's good to know that something is already under construction. Maybe guidelines could be applied, but I think it is pretty obvious that you should state the species, how many you are selling and the price.

[Deleted]

wow Paul that sounds a really good idea and really clever ;D

[Paul]

I'll try and make it pretty comprehensive but not ridiculous.

[section8angel]

I wasn't being mean there, I was just stating that good ideas come about when you don't think about them.
I didn't tell you to stop coming up with ideas, I didn't say the ideas were stupid, and I didn't say that they -were- expected, I meant you don't need to try so hard because thinking of ideas isn't vital, they pop into your head when you're not thinking about them, which they do.
Maybe I should have said "you don't need to try so hard - NOT saying that YOU are personally" but I didn't, as I thought people would see that I was talking about ideas and people in general

That was personal, but to everyone that doesn't suggest ideas
I don't suggest things because for -me- things are fine. A lot of the time other people suggest them before I can anyway, because they feel what they suggested is needed too. Which is fine 'cause I don't care who suggests it, as long as it gets listened too lol
Plus there are people that don't read all of my posts and/or missunderstand some/all of it which then leads to annoying confusion (just to clarify, not just you and not just on this site) So most of the time there's just no point.

Now away from that, what I mean by the confusion in the selling one. I didn't mean the idea of making a separate selling one would make if confusing.
I said it probably wouldn't work with the selling because I was carrying on from what I'd said about sorting out the wanted bit. The one thread for each species and everyone posting in that one thread to keep the forum less cluttered.

If we had just one thread for each species in the selling bit as well, every seller would have to put what they're selling in that -one- thread, so some people -could- get confused because there might be lots of people selling in one thread and they could misread the price, user name etc.
Obviously people pm to check details first, but if they've gotten confused in the first place and PMed the wrong person, it wastes time. Only a little of it, but still wastes it lol.

It wouldn't be like it is now, separate threads for each seller. That's what I meant
I personally prefer the selling bit how it is now, a thread for each seller. I do think though that if they want to sell new snails they could just add a new post to their original thread, then there wouldn't be more clutter. If the title was just snails for sale or something then all the species one seller is selling could go in the thread.

As I said first, I didn't say it was a bad idea and I didn't say it wouldn't work. I think it is a good idea, but I personally just think that having the wanted bit like the classifieds is now (separate thread for each person and snail) would make it very full and annoying to look through. Where as with one thread for each species, it would be easier IMO to look through.

As to how many of us wanting the same species could effect how the system works, it's like I've just said, if everyone posts what they want in different threads then it will all get full and hardly any people will want to bother reading through all the separate posts. At least if they're in one place it might be slightly easier.
It doesn't effect the idea, just how it could be put together.

Have I made enough sense now? Can I go back to trying to breathe with this stupid cold? Rar. lol
Anyway, I didn't mean offense with what I said about the ideas. I was talking in general and thought people would realize that

[sonicsnail]

Ok, after reading your essay, lol, on explaining your various comments and ideas I sort of understand...

I never took offence from the comment you made. When I read it, I imagined how someone would say it. It did sound rather nasty, almost as if to say that you are getting fed up with me offering ideas. Like I have said, I just happen to have these ideas, I don't sit there thinking...Ooo I wonder what ideas I could come up with today for the forum?

You say, "That was personal, but to everyone that doesn't suggest ideas." When I said that you never come up with any ideas, I wasn't meaning everyone else, just you. Other people that don't offer any ideas don't make comments which can sound like you criticizing the amount of ideas I have. That's why I found that strange, coming from someone who offers no ideas at all.

My original idea involved two sections of the Classifieds, where everyone would post as normal on individual threads. I can now see that the section for a "wanted" Classifieds would be pointless, for people can see if something is not for sale on the "for sale" section. I did not mean that everyone would have to post on the same thread for an individual species.

I just thought that it could make the forum more tidy. There appear to be obvious flaws with my original idea, but I thought it could be developed to make a possible improvement.

[section8angel]

Well it seems it's better to do an essay than try and cram in what I mean and then have some people that don't seem to get it lol

I'm glad you didn't take offense as I didn't mean any. Just to be annoying though, you did say in the photo thread that you were determined to think of an idea no one else had so that is kinda thinking hard about one rofl. Btw, I'm not bitching there lol just making a joke (or trying ). Don't shoot me (Or sue me, I'm broke for xmas lol)
I know you don't sit there thinking of ideas otherwise you probably would have said some bad ones which you haven't Although even if you did sit there thinking of them, it isn't that bad, unless all the ones you think of are rubbish lol. (And you don't eat etc lol)

I know you only meant me, but it does still goes for everyone else or some other people, whichever lol. Just 'cause I'm the one that made a comment doesn't mean no one else would have lol. Unless you've got a conspiracy against me and asked them all . Someone else might have gone to comment and then seen that I did so didn't bother.
It might not have sounded strange if I had worded a bit better so you knew I was meaning people in general and not you personally?

BTW, what do you call what I've said in here about organising it? They're ideas thanks lol

And yes I know you didn't mean everyone had to post on the same thread, that's why I said about it. I just thought it would make it even tidier still.
You see it could be seperate forums like you said, one for Wanted and one for Selling/For sale, but in each of those (or just the wanted) there would be a thread for each species.
Then in that species thread people would post if they wanted it/were selling it (which is why I thought it could get confusing for the selling one, everyone would be posting in one thread).
So it would still be split like your idea, but then split again in a sense with seperate species threads instead of lots of seperate user threads, it might be even more tidy.

Say if I sold some of mine, there wouldn't be 3 or more different threads from me in the sales bit as I would post about each species in it's own thread. So someone would only have to look through the species thread for the species they want to buy. They wouldn't have to search through lots and lots of different threads like they do now. (Unless they're all named with what the species is, which some aren't as they're a mixed lot being sold)

I wouldn't say there are flaws with the sorting out bit of idea, it just needs to be modified a bit?

[sezzy5889]

omg, i am not reading anymore of your threads Sian, too long

[section8angel]

You don't always read them anyway, you speed read and miss bits

I'm trying to explain my thoughts in the simplest way, but some people still don't seem to understand them so I have to take even more time to explain.

Oh and btw, I'm not the only one who writes long posts, and these are the longest -replies- I've written in a while. Thanks

[sonicsnail]

Ok, just read all of that. I know I said i wanted to come up with an idea of my own for once. That in itself was a joke. Not being serious lol.

You say, "I know you only meant me, but it does still goes for everyone else or some other people, whichever lol. Just 'cause I'm the one that made a comment doesn't mean no one else would have lol." The reality is that no one else said anything, just you! And it come to me that you hadn't suggested any ideas in threads of your own. That's why I made the comment.

Also, say if we had good ideas like this and combined our ideas a doubt very much anything would be done about it. I don't think our suggestions in this case would be able to change the forum slightly.

Omg, I have to stop now because your "essays" are really confusing me now lol. Maybe it would be better to explain yourself in a shorter way so people don't get confused by the on going writing that sort of repeats what you have already said. (Just a suggestion, no offence! Don't take any offence! Btw, I wont sue you. However saying that I wonder if I could...hmm. You can sue people for absolutely anything now lol!)

[section8angel]

My comp just froze as I was about to press post reply... don't mess with me people my dad is satan ok?

Anyway, yeah I know you were joking about that, that's why I said it as a joke. Glad we got that bit right lol.

(Oh no repeating me bad lol) I know I was the only one to say something, but again, someone else -might- have gone to and not bothered 'cause I had. lol
Anyway, I'm not offended (I know you didn't mean that anyway as you said not to get personal) as I know I don't post my own threads of ideas, that's because I need an initial idea to start with before I can think of anything lol.
So everyone else posting their ideas is what gets me thinking about if they can be modified or anything to make them better.

I think our suggestions can change the forum. Paul does listen to all suggestions, and if we do combine them more to make them really really good then there is always the chance that it can help. Unless he's already working on it of course! lol
In this case though, no they probably wont do much as he already has started something lol.

And as to my essays, as I told Sarah: I try explaining shortly, but some people (not you all the time don't panic lol) still don't understand. I know a lot do understand me though so it isn't all to do with me lol

Please don't sue. I'm broke! I'd rather you shot me lol.

Oops another "essay", nevemind I'm not the only one that does them, go complain somewhere else lol.

[Daniel]

sezzy5889 said:

omg, i am not reading anymore of your threads Sian, too long

i was thinking that lol ;D

[Val]

Why don't we just leave it to Paul!!! He has done a great job so far!!

Val

[section8angel]

Aww but that spoils our fun Rofl.

Just kidding! You are doing a great job Paul.

[sonicsnail]

section8angel said:

Anyway, I'm not offended (I know you didn't mean that anyway as you said not to get personal)

Or am I just saying that? Lol, maybe I really do mean what I say! (Joking of course, I better not say any more otherwise you may get paranoid about whether or not people are telling the truth, hehe.)

I think Paul takes notice of what people say, I just don't think anything would be done about this though...or some other things.

[section8angel]

The scandal!! I knew you were bad!! Rofl.
I'm queen of paranoia, can't beat me lol

I don't think anything will be done about this either, as he is already doing it, so that's right lol. But he does try to do what he can. Maybe the other things are something he can't do?

[Val]

Patience sonicsnail.......it will all get done in time!!! ;D