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Post by mandywith11 on Aug 29, 2006 15:51:35 GMT
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Post by eric2 on Aug 29, 2006 15:57:36 GMT
im sorry but i think that is disgusting they are even offering clothes for the poor things
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Moracai
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Post by Moracai on Aug 29, 2006 15:59:30 GMT
OMG!! How sweet it that? I didn't think you could buy monkeys without a permit? Or is it just certain species?
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Post by gabi on Aug 29, 2006 16:27:34 GMT
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Post by KathyM on Aug 29, 2006 17:06:19 GMT
I think you have to have a licence for these, and to be honest they're not pet material anyway. I find it quite sad really Much as the little monkeys frighten me, they don't deserve being someone's accessory
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Post by copigeon on Aug 29, 2006 17:14:36 GMT
I dont see how theyre any different than large parrots. Which have far more intelligence than many owners can offer in return.
Im guessing with the right owner, ie someone who has litterally 24/7 to devote to one, they'd make an excellent companion. But how many people have this much time.
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Post by LisaLQ on Aug 29, 2006 18:20:13 GMT
No-one has enough time to look after a monkey - they're not made to be pets. I dont personally think parrots and other birds are either, but that's just my views.
If you want something to dress up in kids clothes, get a doll. Or have another kid (omg Mandy - dont do it!) ;D
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Post by sezzy5889 on Aug 29, 2006 18:23:14 GMT
sad really....
no one can bring these monkeys living conditions anywhere near their natural habitat, they shouldn't be made to live in a house, wearing clothes, and not getting what they need, when they can be out int he wild, swinging through trees and living life to the full with others of their kind.
they only get shunned when they hit maturity...
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Post by copigeon on Aug 29, 2006 18:37:56 GMT
I agree its not an ideal pet for everyone, but I think its daft to say its disgusting when parrots etc are quite happily accepted as far worse off caged animals. Were not talking an ape here, or a chimpanzee. Its a small marmoset, different sort of creature. Thats like comparing a budgie to an african grey.
The problem comes of the issue of "cuteness". Mandys first post examples just why they shouldnt be advertised in the manner these juvenille monkeys are. "Babies". People will buy an animal like that on impulse, desire for a living doll, rather than due to an informed decision based on reality and thier need of a pet.
Have always found that a laughable comment from animal keepers. One could say very much the same about any living creature.
One evil for one person, another for someone else.
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Post by LisaLQ on Aug 29, 2006 18:46:20 GMT
It depends on the living creature concerned. If you can offer it a happy life, with the environment it needs and is used to - then that's a different thing.
Comparing a hamster to a monkey for example is a bit daft. Hamsters will quite happily pootle round a cage, eat too much, bite people (ok, not the best example as I hate hamsters!), but monkeys need more space, more exercise, more specialised care, and they are much more intelligent and therefore know what they're missing and when they're unhappy. I think they are more demanding than human children - at least you can tell your kids to go and play for a bit when you need them to - with a monkey, how do you explain that "mummy" needs to go to the loo, or go to bed, or to the shops....etc etc.
I think it's inhumane and cruel to keep these kinds of animals. And dressing them up is even worse. Why not play an accordian and poke it with a stick and make it dance, it'd be the same thing.
Anyone want a photo taking with one of my kids on their shoulder? ;D
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Post by Arno on Aug 29, 2006 18:55:29 GMT
Well you might tell your kids to go and play but will they listen?lol.....I know some pretty demanding children..including my own haha. I agree with the fact that portraying(sp) the monkees as child-like is a very bad thing to do and give would-be buyers the wrong idea.
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Post by LisaLQ on Aug 29, 2006 19:04:29 GMT
I've got 5 of them Arno, and mine have learned to listen ;D Otherwise mum goes blue in the face, shakes, shouts and goes outside for a cig...
My point was not that all kids do listen, but that they have the capacity to do so (even babies learn from their parents body language that they are safe and not to cry). Monkeys/apes dont have the same body language, or vocal language (for want of a better term). They will never understand human "parents".
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Post by Moracai on Aug 29, 2006 19:39:54 GMT
Where did it mention clothes? I understand the need for diapers though if it was kept in the house as a pet. Which I suppose it would need to be seeing as it's a baby. I still prefer to see them in national geographic shows living in family groups. Kinda sad when you think about it, it's been taken away from it's mummy.
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Post by gabi on Aug 29, 2006 19:57:13 GMT
They say in the offer, that you can buy clothes for the monkeys off them.
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Post by Nat on Aug 29, 2006 20:50:33 GMT
Thats sooo sad The poor thing needs its real mum not a human to be kept in a cage for the rest of its life. I personally don't think a monkey is like any other commonly kept pet, anyone who has seen a few episodes of monkey business will know that. A hand reared parrot will forget what it is, show it another parrot after its had only human contact for a couple of years it will not know what it is, probably attack it or hide from it. There isn't many monkey owners that could still cope with it once it reached adulthood, and that goes for all species, it gets chained up or locked in a cage because its behaviour gets out of control. Not naughty, just natural. Show it another monkey and its instant recognition and within days it will be acting like a monkey again. Jim and Alison down at monkey world do an absolutely AMAZING job with monkeys, rehabilitating them getting them back into family groups and acting and living like they should, its just a huge shame that it still goes on and general public still get these babies that in 5-10 yrs time (if that) will be locked in a bird cage or chained up This subject really gets me going. Nat
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Post by Val on Aug 29, 2006 21:10:12 GMT
As Nat has pointed out, these creatures are extremely social and need to live in groups of their own kind, to keep one on it's own would be cruel. Val
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Post by craftysnails on Aug 30, 2006 8:07:51 GMT
Yes I know its very cruel to keep monkey but I have been e-mailed this seller ( I just being Nosey) I was so Shocked when price for monkey is £700 including shipping!!! I can bit remember watch programme about resuce animals where owners cant cope look after monkeys etc. It was really sad.
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Post by eric2 on Aug 30, 2006 10:01:27 GMT
my local petshop had a breeding pair in once they sold them for £1,200 with cage
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Post by sezzy5889 on Aug 30, 2006 13:11:03 GMT
You can keep most animals healthy, like a mouse for example, you can supply plenty of room for it, buy the correct food and suppliments and even medicines, as for a monkey you would have to give it the whole house as its enclosure, you can't buy its food from the petshop, you can't take it to the vet!
It needs specialised care, i've been to monkey world and watched the program, although they don't have the jungle, they have the next best thing, plenty of room, they live in family groups, they get all the food and stimulation they need and they have experienced specialists to look out for them and can recognise when they are ill and get them the treatment they need.
I know there are few people out there that generally care and try to supply the best they can, but they just can't, and theres so many cases where a persons monkey becomes withdrawn, or depressed and they don't know why and they have to call places like monkey world to come and collect the animal.
and tbh i don't agree entirely with people keeping parrots as pets, but i'm not one to critisise anyone that does, if my friend kept a pet monkey, i wouldn't think any different of them, i wouldn't report them, its just i don't agree with it, and i would give advise as best i could but thats about it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2006 10:08:24 GMT
AWWWW that is so cute ;D
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