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Post by mandywith11 on Mar 26, 2006 8:48:27 GMT
i read somewhere that snails like grean tea mixed in with sunflower seeds ect is that right?
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Post by CelticCraftress on Mar 26, 2006 13:01:42 GMT
I don't know, sounds like something you need to try yourself. *shrug* Ive had simular ideas though, I drink green tea all the time.
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Post by sezzy5889 on Mar 26, 2006 13:27:59 GMT
apparently tea and coffee are used as slug and snail peticides
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Post by mandywith11 on Mar 26, 2006 14:19:42 GMT
oh well ill give it a miss then
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Post by CelticCraftress on Mar 26, 2006 14:49:28 GMT
Coffee and tea? Coffee maybe because it can be very strong, but I can't imagine how tea would harm a snail or slug. After all, it's really just leaves soaked/diffused in water. Maybe certain leaves are poisonous to them? But in all true, I don't think there's a tea out there that is remotely toxic. That's the only way I see that working though. Even tea bags seem like something they might munch on if they crawled into a compost pile. Just wondering, that's all!
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Post by sezzy5889 on Mar 26, 2006 15:02:03 GMT
well i just read on a pest control site that tea bags are used on plant beds to kill of slugs and snails that are attracted to them...
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Post by Arno on Mar 26, 2006 16:03:41 GMT
The only way a teabag could kill a snail is when somebody would throw it out of a window and accidently hit the animal with it ,lol.
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Post by sezzy5889 on Mar 26, 2006 16:35:54 GMT
its the caffeine, it will kill snails, but if you want to try it then be my guest
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Post by sezzy5889 on Mar 26, 2006 16:36:14 GMT
Agricultural Research Service scientists reported June 27 of this year that Robert G. Hollingsworth, a research biologist, studied the effects of caffeine on snails. He sprayed a two-percent solution of caffeine onto snail-infested coir (coconut mulch). Ninety-five percent of the snails perished. In another experiment, researchers found that the caffeine had residual results; the caffeine was still present in the coir 30 days later. For comparison, metaldehyde, the active ingredient in many snail and slug poisons.
The Federal government says that caffeine is "generally recognized as safe." As long as you're not a mollusk, apparently.
To get the same results as the scientists (and I) do, just let your coffee grounds dry out on a saucer overnight. In the morning, put the used grounds around plants you'd like to keep slugs and snails away from. Same for tea leaves.
also...
tea leaves or coffee ground can be used to mulch plants that slugs love to feast on, such as hostas, ligularias and lilies. Try them for daffodils and other spring bulbs as well. You also can rid areas of slugs and snails by mixing up some tea leaves or coffee ground and making it two to three times stronger than you ordinarily would. Spray this concentrated coffee/tea where slugs roam free and you'll notice a definite dropoff in damage.
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Post by Arno on Mar 26, 2006 17:37:10 GMT
I would like them to try the tea leaves idea on the slugs I have in my garden,the only non-chemical thing that worked was a ring of copper coins around the plant. Also the concentration of caffeine used in the research is many times more than you would normally get in your average homebrew.
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Post by sezzy5889 on Mar 26, 2006 18:01:11 GMT
It's not worth the risk, i don't see why we need to take risks when theres hundreds of other safe things to feed your snails anyway
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Post by section8angel on Mar 26, 2006 18:09:51 GMT
I'm sure Paul has said about it somewhere. I probably wont be able to find it before he replies though Lol Edit: I found one bit about it in the wound page www.petsnails.co.uk/index.php?action=problems&type=wounds#startThere is also this bit on the retracted page Green tea (Camellia sinensis) I sat the snails in the tea and bathed them in it. I also hoped the would drink it, even if accidentally. Green Tea features on the the list of plants Lissachatina fulica has been found eating. As they eat the leaves raw (their strongest form) I decided tea made from the leaves would be perfectly harmless and this definitely seems to be the case. I have tried making my snail mix with green tea instead of water. I have witnessed healthy snails eating the resulting paste with no adverse effects. www.petsnails.co.uk/index.php?action=problems&type=retractedSo there we go
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Post by Val on Mar 26, 2006 18:42:36 GMT
It's not worth the risk, i don't see why we need to take risks when theres hundreds of other safe things to feed your snails anyway Yes, agree with Sarah on this point. Val
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Post by section8angel on Mar 26, 2006 18:54:54 GMT
If there's nothing known about it for definite then no it isn't worth the risk. But if people have tried it with no effects then it could be worth a try if you want to do so.
Not everyone can get all the things that are listed as safe either which is why we ask about other things. Anyway, I'm glad there is that bit about it on the site, I bought some for me but can't stand it so at least I can put it to good use rofl. ;D
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Post by sezzy5889 on Mar 26, 2006 18:57:26 GMT
there isn't even a reason behind trying it in this case though, just thinking of another thing to feed your snail. So i don't think anyone should risk it, even if it is safe it's not going to do anything, it doesn't have healing powers, it's jus food, and at the end of the day theres plenty already for our snails, treats an all!
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Post by section8angel on Mar 26, 2006 19:07:57 GMT
It's good to think of other foods to feed the snails, especially if they don't eat what you've given them. It has anti septic properties, so it isn't just food and can do something.
I'm not saying use it use it btw lol. If you don't want to that's up to you. I'm just posting what I found. And I think it's handy for what Paul has written about the wounds and illness.
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Post by CelticCraftress on Mar 27, 2006 0:01:55 GMT
Well, I personaly only drink caffene-free tea's, so I do plan to try them, only a wee bit though.
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Post by Paul on Mar 27, 2006 1:57:10 GMT
there isn't even a reason behind trying it in this case though, just thinking of another thing to feed your snail. So i don't think anyone should risk it, even if it is safe it's not going to do anything, it doesn't have healing powers, it's jus food, and at the end of the day theres plenty already for our snails, treats an all! That was the point when I tried it, it has amazing healing benefits, and is one of the few herbs that has a lot of research to back it up: www.herbwisdom.com/herb-green-tea.htmlAlso, with it being readily eaten by fulica in the wild, I can't see any problem. As with anything, it is always best to do research before feeding food, but the snails ultimately decide. If we didn't try new things, we'd never have the acceptable food list we do have. Some vegetables are potentially dangerous as we know from oxalic acid content, and apparently there has been deaths from celery so that tells us that the snails' own sense of what is acceptable is not infallible. But, since what we would consider "normal" fruit and vegetables has dangerous items amongst their number, if people didn't try things out, we'd all be feeding snails lettuce only. The other point is that, thanks to presentation requirements and intensive farming of these very things, the nutrition level is on average 5 times less than in 1920 (according to a study I read in a health food magazine), so less common alternatives could well be in their best interests afterall. Variety is what counts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2006 11:20:41 GMT
I'm confused. green tea doesn't have caffeine in it. why are we talking about caffeine?
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Post by Arno on Mar 27, 2006 15:12:52 GMT
Green tea does have caffeine in it though,30 mgs per average cup(or so I've read).
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Post by KathyM on Mar 27, 2006 15:18:22 GMT
Mine all love green tea. None have dropped dead (with the exception of Justin who dropped dead for other reasons). Green tea is so good for many animals, including humans. My old dog used to have green tea as part of her natural cancer therapy and it did her wonders (also cured Dharma the Bullmastiff's teenage acne - no really!).
Like Paul said - they eat it in the wild so can't see it being a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2006 15:20:35 GMT
Green tea does have caffeine in it though,30 mgs per average cup(or so I've read). i thought i could trust green tea but no
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Post by sezzy5889 on Mar 27, 2006 15:22:25 GMT
maybe it's pk in the short term but not in the long term (for snails i mean) or in large quantities
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Post by Paul on Mar 27, 2006 16:02:28 GMT
maybe it's pk in the short term but not in the long term (for snails i mean) or in large quantities Based on what? If snails have been found eating green tea in the wild the chances are they have been found as pests on green tea plantations. To me that would indicate them eating green tea almost exlcusively or certainly in large quantities and over a period of time. The fulica host plants list comes from agricultural research I think, studies like that tend not to be done for the sake of snail research so that makes me think that they were found as pests. To become pests they'd have to devastate large sections of a plantation over time. Plus, they eat the raw leaves which are loads stronger than tea made from it, green, white, black or otherwise.
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Post by Arno on Mar 27, 2006 16:04:10 GMT
How do you know this though?(I mean on what is this statement based?)
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