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Post by Vida on Sept 26, 2007 20:34:51 GMT
Maybe this isn't the right place to post this, but there are a lot of different animal associations and I thought we could start an International Snails Association (ISA). It would be only for snails kept as pets and we could organize different events worldwide. Of course it would mean a lot of work and organization before anything actually happened. What do you all think?
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Post by Arno on Sept 26, 2007 21:29:07 GMT
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Post by Leah on Oct 23, 2007 9:14:02 GMT
It was going well for a while then people just sort of gave up.
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Post by Vida on Oct 23, 2007 17:55:19 GMT
Maybe if four or five people were interested, we could work on this?
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Post by spook on Oct 23, 2007 18:46:26 GMT
Sounds like a great idea!! just needs kick starting again!!??
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Post by Vida on Oct 23, 2007 20:01:23 GMT
Ok, so I guess the first step would be to write up some sort of rules and regulations for members. Any ideas?
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Post by Leah on Oct 28, 2007 18:50:11 GMT
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Post by fabrizio on Nov 25, 2007 1:01:13 GMT
Hello, Very good idea Vida, and I would be very interested, too, in the creation of an Intl Snail Society, of something similar; I've already discuss about that just some months ago, with Kevin and EdB, both of them really knowledgeable people, and keen to start with such a project; yet we considered how rare and few would be the really interested persons, so I'm very pleased now, to find here some of these "enthusiasts"!
At least, I hope, couldn't it be possible, to create for (land) gastropods, what is already partially done for Butterflies (as "Butterfly Arc", just here in Italy)?
I'm a keen amatorial and grower from seeds of many species of tropical plants (almost small specimens, due to lack of due spaces!), and I'm pondering that trading snails, from the very same countries these seeds come from, wouldn't be any more difficult, on the practical side... yet while there are seeds growers/dealers, and sometimes even butterflies/beetles dealers, simply I understand that there is still nothing there, as "Snail growers/dealers, sadly...
I see, that if you search the web for many "exotic" land snails species, you do find as a fact a lot of dealers, but these are actually offering only "dead" shells, for "collectors"; I regret deeply about that, as "live snails" could even contribute to species "ex situ" preservation, besides being much more interesting and worth to keep. The fact, is that the concerned "market" is oriented that way, due to the overwhelming number of "dead-shells-collectors", against a very few and scattered "would-be-growers".
So, such an Organization, could carry on some negotiations, and exert some influence to make that to change, at least at a minimum degree, to put in circulation some live snails species from all of the world; no much more, after all, as it's already happening with Reptiles, tropical aquarium fishes, and so on; "Snails" are not that different to that regard, and surely are much easier to despatch, even to/from remote places; and as a fact, in the "reef aquarium" trade, you can find more snail species offered, than the ones actually found as "land" pet-snails ("seasnails" too would be very worth keeping, of course; only, their reproduction would be a different and often difficult problem to deal with).
I believe, that such an association should even become "institutionally" visible, as we could help research institutes and so on, to get live specimes we grow and breed; and we could get a recognizment, as a Gastropods biodiversity preserving organization, if we focus on the snails' captive reproduction, and point it out.
Finally, there are still a lot of, almost unknown, european species around us, most of us (me enclosed) are totally unaware of; only here in Italy, about 400 species of landsnails could be found, even if the large majority of them is quite localized, and smallish or very small in size, not less interesting of course, but more difficult to spot, expecially out in the wild; these could be a good and serious starting point, as their significance is not less than the "tropical" ones'. I'm a mod of "Mondo Gasteropodi", (World of Gastropods), a newborn italian forum about keeping "pet-snails" (even fresh-saltwater species), and I could search about interested people over there, too.
I hope to hear back from you all, please let me know (even by email or PM) if you read and partially agree with the above! Thank you all, Fabrizio
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Post by apple on Nov 25, 2007 2:32:22 GMT
I do agree with the purposal of Vida. It would be great also for sharing ideas and experiences. I breed also some native snails and helped one endemic specie ( that was on the Red Book of Endangered Species) to survive from extinction. I keep also exotic snails, insects and plants ( Fabrizio I´ll send you an email ), so maybe we can get more dealers that can provide exotic snail species as well. I found some dealers from Philiphines and Peru, for example.
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Post by fabrizio on Nov 25, 2007 2:45:38 GMT
Very good news Apple, and I'm eager to get your email! fabrizio
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Post by Rachel on Nov 25, 2007 14:06:39 GMT
it's a great idea, and we'd be more than willing to help out. To few people realise snails have feelings...
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Post by fabrizio on Nov 25, 2007 15:07:17 GMT
It's really so, and it's because they are much more appreciated, sadly, as un-animated shells to collect, than as true and fascinating living beings! fabrizio
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Post by Vida on Nov 25, 2007 15:34:55 GMT
Well it seems as if there are enough people interested in starting something like this. I admit to having little knowledge but I am willing to do my bit to help. Maybe we should ask for a specific forum section here, to talk about details and actions. Is that possible?
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Post by fabrizio on Nov 25, 2007 21:15:50 GMT
Many of us still have little knowledge, but all of us are surely growing in knowledge, and experiences we get from captive keeping of snails, could even fill some gaps in the field, as we can have the chance to watch and discover some still un-observed aspects of their life; we could cooptate some expert, as austrian prof Nordsieck, I see he has joined to this forum, and at the same time he's an academical researcher; I'll try to contact him, or someone of you could do the same. And I agree with Vida, we could dedicate a section in the same forum, on this project fabrizio
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Post by apple on Nov 25, 2007 22:22:22 GMT
That would be great! I know here a person that does field work on snails and so maybe he´s interested on this as well.
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Post by Arno on Nov 25, 2007 22:33:20 GMT
Well it seems as if there are enough people interested in starting something like this. I admit to having little knowledge but I am willing to do my bit to help. Maybe we should ask for a specific forum section here, to talk about details and actions. Is that possible? It's already there,called snail society.I can't make new sections myself.....
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Post by fabrizio on Nov 26, 2007 14:15:41 GMT
But is it actually "active", this Snail Society? Otherwise, should we make it active again , or start to work within it, on all the said points? fabrizio
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Post by Arno on Nov 26, 2007 16:51:57 GMT
No it is at a standstill,so I think it's best to start from the beginning again.
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Post by Vida on Nov 26, 2007 18:10:13 GMT
Ok, well I think we ought to make a list of what we want to achieve first. Once decided on that, we can then discuss how to go about fulfilling it.
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Post by fabrizio on Nov 27, 2007 0:45:49 GMT
I agree, and could start to post here some proposal; do you think well to try to contact prof Nordsieck since this early stage? Perhaps he could even suggest us something
fabrizio
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Post by Vida on Nov 27, 2007 11:30:41 GMT
I am more than willing to have you contact him and any other professional, that can give us some ideas of how to start on this venture.
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Post by Leah on Nov 27, 2007 13:09:51 GMT
I don't think your listening! As Arno and I have already said, all thats been done, go and have a look! I am trying to help you here.
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Post by Vida on Nov 27, 2007 17:33:37 GMT
Yes, I am reading. Arno pointed out about four posts above that it was better to start everything again from the beginning. If you have another idea, please share. Thanks.
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Post by apple on Nov 27, 2007 21:56:38 GMT
Maybe we first should know which species each one has, what each one has been doing on snails, which are the aims of this society and of each one.Contacting professional ones on the area is a good aim as well.
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Post by Arno on Nov 27, 2007 22:27:39 GMT
I agree, and could start to post here some proposal; do you think well to try to contact prof Nordsieck since this early stage? Perhaps he could even suggest us something fabrizio I think the Robert Nordsieck on this forum is not the professor but his son who's great site can be found here: www.weichtiere.at/english/gastropoda/index.html
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