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Post by natrat84 on Sept 5, 2005 20:01:45 GMT
My darling Marvin (fulica) and gorgeous Tetley (big tiger) are together again. Nearly every night Marvin is hassling Tetley with his bulge. But tonight Tetley was starting to oblige They were there for a fair while snuggling and kissing So what do people think? Is it really possible? I'd love to see it, but probably just getting my hopes up. They are certainly getting close Nat - With a very confused little fulica.
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Post by bookitten on Sept 5, 2005 20:07:20 GMT
oh dear... well if u do actually get eggs, id say either freeze most of em and keep a few to see what happens, or freeze them all.
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Arno
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Post by Arno on Sept 5, 2005 20:18:49 GMT
I doubt that you get eggs and if you do they might be infertile.But i would definatly keep the eggs.
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Post by sezzy5889 on Sept 5, 2005 20:49:22 GMT
My fulica tries to get jiggy with my tigers and margies all the time but it never goes any further than that
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Post by Paul on Sept 6, 2005 3:58:15 GMT
From what we know so far, a crossbreed achatina/fulica is possible. I actually spoke to a woman who was convinced she had tiger/fulica crossbreeds but she never got back to me with pictures.
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Post by sezzy5889 on Sept 6, 2005 10:15:31 GMT
On the second picture the fulica next just behind is looking at them with a bulge on it's neck as if to say 'can i join in' LOL
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Leah
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Post by Leah on Sept 6, 2005 13:12:03 GMT
ORGY!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2005 16:20:20 GMT
AWWWWW nat that is sooooo cute theyre in love awwwww marvin finally managed to seduce tetley.
if u they had eggs it would be a momentous occasion ;D
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Post by sezzy5889 on Sept 6, 2005 16:35:05 GMT
I know this sounds really cruel and stupid but what would happen if you took a love dart out of one snail and put it in another?
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Post by natrat84 on Sept 8, 2005 12:32:00 GMT
No idea, probably not alot. To me thats like, ummm, how do I put it lol. Well a snail shooting a love dart at another snail, is like a man turning a woman on. With the pheromones (is that the right word?) to go with it. But imagine something a hundred times our size trying to do that? I don't think it would have the same effect!! I also don't think I could bring myself to do it Just my opinion Nat
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Post by sezzy5889 on Sept 8, 2005 12:36:59 GMT
rofl
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geli
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Post by geli on Sept 8, 2005 14:54:21 GMT
Thats very interesting! I never thought that achatina and fulicas would "make love together".... I gained experiences about which species could/should be kept together or not, because of crossbreeding and made a list - you can find it here: www.ueber-die-schneck.de/haltung/haltung_zusammen.htmI don't know if everything is right on that list, but I think its a start and all informations about this are helpfull. It should not come like it was at some spider-species (Vogelspinne - don't know the right word ) - that you can't find the "first species" of them any more (hope you know what I mean). But I think if there were eggs, they were infertile... I wait in suspense what happend with your two lovers
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Post by natrat84 on Sept 8, 2005 15:00:20 GMT
Wow, how do you know all that So Iredalei can breed with anything??!! But Iredalei are live bearers and the rest aren't I'd like to see how an iredalei and Margie manage it, rofl. My 2 haven't actually mated, yet. Just alot of 'flirting' going on.
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geli
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Post by geli on Sept 8, 2005 15:03:14 GMT
no, it's other way round They normaly don't breed with others.... "OK" means that you can keep them with the other species, and they do not breed...
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Post by natrat84 on Sept 8, 2005 15:05:40 GMT
Oh I seeeeeeeeeeeee DOH
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Post by Paul on Sept 8, 2005 16:05:11 GMT
Geli, you have Achatina reticulata as a "safe" snail for other Achatina? Why is that, is there a reason you know they won't or is it based on the fact that reticulata are huge?
I bet albopicta can manage it with reticulata seeing as they are both similar snails, and similar in size.
Also, we assume that iredalei cannot crossbreed with them being ovoviviparous, but is that really the case. They mate in the same way, store sperm and selectively fertilise in the same way. The only difference is that they keep the eggs internally. So, although it is more unlikely do you not think it is possible.
I posted the following to cybersnails which I think sums up what we know:
At the moment we think that the following is true:
Achatina can crossbreed with Achatina and Lissachatina and vice-versa Archachatina can crossbreed with other Archachatina Achatina and Archachatina cannot crossbreed.
And the following is likely:
Larger species are less likely to breed with smaller ones for physical size reasons (althoughh it seems slugs can manage with other slugs half their size).
Crossbreeding is more unlikely in the presence of other pure-breed potential mates.
What we don't know is:
Whether cross-breeds are sterile or not. At the moment the general consensus is that it is likely they are fertile.
Whether all cross-breeds can be successful; are there pairings that don't work out?
Most people don't bother with crossbreeds for obvious reasons, particularly how hard it is now to identify species, let alone crossbreeds so the info is hard to find. And, it's hard to know if a snail is a cross-breed unless you have kept all different snails in a tank together from very young as the snails can store sperm and selectively fertilise. You may see two species mating, but it doesn't mean the eggs are from that pairing. Added to which snails are known to self-fertilise from time to time.
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geli
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Post by geli on Sept 8, 2005 18:50:22 GMT
I got the information about reticulata beeing a 'safe' snail from another german forum, it wasn't my own experience. I still wrote that I don't know if everything is right.... all infos are from other snail-owners - I only carried them together. Albopicta isn't on my list.... I will put it on. To the iredalei: It could be possible, but normaly I think that they only breed with other ovoviviparous snails.... I agree with your post at cybersnail! Only thing we know is that achatina don't breed with archachatina. My list is only a try to help - there are so much people who asked "can I keep .... with ....?". And because of this I tried to make this list with all infos I could find.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2005 18:57:01 GMT
well i dont think iredalei is very likely - mine tried and failed with panthera and rodatzii...awww... how do snails know that theyre different species? i guess fulica and tigers wud know cuz tigers have different skin. but...im sure if marvin is persistent enough...
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