Post by section8angel on Sept 15, 2005 23:27:36 GMT
Yep me again being a spammer j/k
I just wondered if the 3 species I keep have any different needs? I'm basically spraying them all the same amount, feeding them the same things etc, I just wondered if that was right.
I've read on petsnails.co.uk that Fulica can be sensitive to too much water, so I've been making sure they don't get too damp, but in doing this it's changed my spraying "schedule" which has also changed how much the other 2 species get sprayed!!
I have Fulicas, Dimidiatas and a Margie. Has anyone found anything different in the care between them except the Fulica not liking it too damp?
P.S Would it be ok to mix them with each other? I would probably only be doing it when I clean them out, but would like to know incase I might want to put the Fulica and Dimidiata babies in together or anything.
This is a bit of a ramble but I thought I'd cover it all....
Conditions wise, I think most species can be kept together if you are logical about it. A snail that loves warmth may not do well with a snail that can tolerate colder temperatures but the reverse is usually fine. Most African snails love warmth, even ones that can tolerate cold so you can't go wrong there. What I'm saying is that temperature-wise if your margie is happy, your others will be.
For humdity, you'll just have to just play it by ear. If your non-fulica are inactive and increased humidity makes them happy, keep an eye on your fulica. If there behavior changes for the worse then perhaps the conditions can't be balanced for the two. But I think they can. Margies love humidity so the bar is set by them really but I've seen pictures of fulica and margies kept perfectly ok together.
In most cases, you'll be fine. Good conditions are usually accepted by most species. I think the danger for fulica is that they will not be able to tolerate bad conditions for as long as some of the other snails. So in a tank with no ventilation that was way too wet, they'd be the first to die. Although I have no experience of this.
Luckily, snails react to environmental changes so usually you have time to react. Try a range of slightly different things, to find out what pleases them.
There are some minor problems with mixing snails:
They may crossbreed. That is not bad in itself as far as we know, probably quite the oppostite compared to inbreeding but it is usually undesirable. We have such a hard time with (mis)-identification it just confuses the matter. I mix snails I don't ever wish to breed, ones that are kept by lots of people.
Even if they don't crossbreed, you can't tell which species laid eggs unless you witness it. You may wish to hatch rarer snail eggs only to discover they are fulica and no-one wants the babies.
Certain species may be unsuitable. Margies for instance decimated wild populations of Arch. bicarinata because they carried a disease that they were tolerant of but the bicarinata were not. So there is a risk of species or breeding specific illness. In captive-bred snails, especially babies that probably won't have come into contact with other snails, you'll be fine. I mention this only because I am currently suffering a problem caused by what I think is some sort of snail virus and if I had kept more smaller tanks and split them up it may have helped.
Certain species of snail are predatory so this is worth knowing.
It is probably wise to keep African and European snails apart but many people don't and have no problems.
I mix species, and the only problem I encountered was a little predation on a panthera shell by a reticulata or stuhlmanni (can't remember now). It was as if they didn't recognise it as a snail shell. But for most people this isn't an issue.
It is also worth keeping similar sized species togther and species with vast differences in size apart. Snails tend to hang off each other and it isn't nice witnessing a small snail with a huge one hanging off it or even more than one. Snails can supposedly hold 10 times there weight, but it always worries me. Also babies tend to rasp the shell of the adults, seeing them as walking calcium.
It seems to me that the three species you keep will be fine together although your margie may bulldozer your other species slightly, being so big and bulky. I find babies can always avoid them and it never seems to matter, probably because there isn't enough for the big ones to hold on to. It is the large snails of smaller species that can get get crawled all over. But although I've seen some precarious dangling, I've not had any problems, although now I sort roughly to size.
I actually do mix Archachatina with Achatina that I wish to breed on the principle that they won't cross-breed and I will instantly be able to tell who laid the eggs with them being so different. So for example, I keep my margies and tigers together, they love the same conditions and are similar sized.
Perhaps the best solution would be a tank for your margie and perhaps even a friend , and one for your others. But if you are restricted to one tank for them all, I think they will be ok together.
I don't think this ever stops, new arrivals complicate everything. ;D
Post by section8angel on Sept 16, 2005 17:39:59 GMT
Wow! lol Thankyou VERY much Paul. That post was amazing lol. I think I'm gonna have to re read a few times to take all of it in but most of it I got first time lol. (That's big for me )
I actually put a few garden snails in the tank with my fulicas when I first started keeping them, and the fulica went to the tank lid, and stayed there. They would NOT come down until I took the garden snails out. So I've not tried that again since lol.
That's all very helpful info there. I think I might put my babies together as what you said about them rasping the adult shells and the adults hanging off them is a bit worrying lol.
I'm not restricted really with tanks (they are all in seperate ones already), and I was planning on getting some bigger ones also (I'm looking into the storage boxes as it seems cheapest and easiest) but I was going to do as you said and keep my Margie in a tank on it's own but try and find another margie friend at some point for him.
I'm not that worried about if they cross breed as I'm not actually breeding them, I just get rid of the eggs whenever they've gotten randy lol.
Hmm.. I'm to "wow" from your post to remember what else I was gonna type!!
Are there some species that wont cross breed at all? Or would they all do it given the chance? Also, do you know which species are predatory ones?
In former times I kept my fulicas at room-temperature, meanwhile I keep them like my Archachatina-species, very warm and high humidity, cause they really like it more!! They are very active and lay eggs like crazy. Only the same species will mate, cause the have the same sexual organs. The sexual organs of the individual species differ, so there will be no cross-breeding for instance between fulica and reticulata. I keep Achatina- and Archachatina-species together in one tank, for instance fulica with Arch. marginata var. suturalis or A. albopicta and Arch. ventricosa, and it really works fine
i currently have 2 Fuli & 1 margi in the same tank it is about 30oc & humidity UP to 70% (if i spray it when the light has just been on) i dunno if this is anywhere NEAR ok lol but the temp seems fairly steady regardless of if the light has been on an extended time or not (gonna try get a low wattage heat light rather then the normal bulb i have in there
my Margie i have only had a few weeks & TBH i did think i was gonna have to split them up as she spent a LOT of time near the air holes on the back & not really moving a lot BUT this week i have noticed she is VERY active at night whereas my Fuli are active whenever they feel like it lol so maybe she just needed to get used to the new home
My two species definitely have different needs, cepases and an oxychilus alliarus, I know this because the cepaeas came from my east garden and oxy blue came from the west garden. Two totally different types of gardens and habitat. There were absolutely no cepaeas in the west garden and no Oxys in the east garden. and entirely different ground environments and different plants in both gardens. That is just my snails though, others may have species of the same kind that act entirely different. mine are very picky eaters as well. There is a section on Habitats. I just added to that post today. Someone started it, so far I was the only one to reply. You could go there and post your tanks and terrariums. Someone may have a good answer to your different species. Good Luck.
It took some time but I have managed to adjust a tank that works as a communal tank.
I have Cepaea nemoralis, Cepaea Hortensis (Canadian and English), Heath snails, and Discus rotundatus cohabitating in the one terrarium plus I hatch baby Pleurodonte isabella in there as well (then put the baby P. Isabella into the adult P.isabella terrarium tank) as well I am having great success with babies of the other species hatching and surviving in this tank.
I tried so many things before trying to keep babies alive but nothing worked before this.
If anyone is interested in trying this let me know and I will post how the tank is set up.
3 species unidentified slugs
I currently have 4 separate enclosures*, but I want to scale it down to one (or 2, if need be). It'd be much bigger so that's no issue. Neither is the environment (substrate/moisture/etc) as they all have the same.
*[[1. Mostly Teenaged A. Fulica + 2 almost full grown adults
2. Kid A. Fulica (have baby spots)
3. B. similaris -mostly adult, some small.. AND a couple Graceful Awlsnails
4. Leatherleaf slug juveniles... about 2 cm long on avg ]]
I just want to know if it's safe... Will the bigger gals "bully" the kid gals? Will any gals bully or predate upon the any of the other inhabitants? Could a piggyback ride turn tragic if the rider is a lot heavier? Will my slugs be shy or scared into hiding (and then starved out)? Is it dangerous if the gals unknowingly slime right over my smallest bros or slugs? Should I regularly take attendance to see if everyone is there/alive? Any other concerns?
Will it even be any easier for me and any more enjoyable for the inhabitants, or just a dumb hassle? And, if I need to/should keep a second tank after all, who all should go in it?
The GALS will be fine together infact i never separate my babies from the adults until they are a bit larger anyway (pick up benifical bacteria from parent's poo) and they're all be fine together i only separate due to space limits.