coyote
Archachatina papyracea
Cochleas ego amo
Posts: 2,955
|
Post by coyote on Jul 16, 2010 21:31:30 GMT
I would think that any bodily action severe enough to cause gut extrusion would damage the organs so that even if they could somehow be put back, they would not function anyway.
|
|
|
|
Post by lee2211 on Aug 12, 2010 12:08:24 GMT
|
|
MLO
Achatina achatina
Posts: 55
|
Post by MLO on Aug 12, 2010 20:04:47 GMT
When snail experiences gut extrusion, is gut still "attached" to snail...via the mouth?
|
|
cherryblossom
Archachatina marginata
Bubba & Bertha's mum
Posts: 25
|
Post by cherryblossom on Aug 12, 2010 22:44:33 GMT
Very interesting thread. I am sorry for the loss of George.
The pictures though are a great help to those of us learning about all of this. Thank you for sharing.
|
|
|
|
Post by lee2211 on Aug 13, 2010 10:53:38 GMT
Yes, basically the snails throws up it's own gut, so technically I suppose it's still attatched inside, just strained. But either way they snail ends up not being able to eat so will die of starvation if not euthanised.
|
|
|
|
Post by herpvet on Jul 2, 2011 12:25:56 GMT
omg  I wish ppl has skillz to do snail sugery! I mean y not? It'll be useful. But its sad that alot of ppl do not have interest ing snails R.I.P Hi, Sorry to chime in so late - just recently joined the forum. Just a note to say that I am a vet, and there are a few of us interested enough to look at snails and try to help either medically or surgically. So it may be worth contacting a vet if you have a snail with this (or any other) condition - gut extrusion is still a very poor outlook but until more work is done - investigations and/or treatments - we will not make any progress. Hope this helps, Bruce. |
|
coyote
Archachatina papyracea
Cochleas ego amo
Posts: 2,955
|
Post by coyote on Jul 3, 2011 3:57:08 GMT
Hi Bruce, welcome to the forum. Glad to see you chime in on this topic. Can you give a rough idea of about how many vets are accepting snails as patients (just a select few? more?)? And what would be the simplest way for snail owners to find the nearest qualified vet to them? Thanks for the info!  |
|
|
|
Post by herpvet on Jul 4, 2011 6:43:00 GMT
Hi Bruce, welcome to the forum. Glad to see you chime in on this topic. Can you give a rough idea of about how many vets are accepting snails as patients (just a select few? more?)? And what would be the simplest way for snail owners to find the nearest qualified vet to them? Thanks for the info! Hi, I'm in the U.K. so can only speak for here, but I have to say that it is almost certainly only a select few. I'm not aware of any specific listings for invertebrates, but looking for your most local exotic animals vet is probably the best start. Unfortunately no guarantee even a vet for exotics will be happy to see snails, but probably the best first bet. Best routes for finding your local exotics vet would be either try your local vet, who should know a vet they normally refer exotic animal cases to, or look up reptile/amphibian vets online (e.g. www.herpvetconnection.com/ or www.anapsid.org/vets/index.html ). Hope this helps, Bruce. |
|
coyote
Archachatina papyracea
Cochleas ego amo
Posts: 2,955
|
Post by coyote on Jul 4, 2011 21:31:14 GMT
Thanks for the info, Bruce! |
|
|
|
Post by Lady Escargoth on Sept 20, 2011 9:25:01 GMT
Well, I have a strange story about gut extrusion... One of my archachatinas suffered from it in August... Its esophagus and stomach were poking out of its body poor thing... But it was saved! I know it sounds crazy but my boyfriend, who is a magnetist and a somatotherapist saved the snail with special manipulations...... I must say I have notions but I don't know what he did exatcly... Please don't frown at this story, I'm so happy my baby survived I don't care about rationalism =D We were so lucky..... I'm sorry for yours who did not survive................. I wrote about that on my blog. I put two pictures of what it looked like... Here is the link to the story : ladyescargoth.blogspot.com/2011/09/miracle-achatina-gut-extrusion-english.htmlThank you for reading Attachments:
|
|
coyote
Archachatina papyracea
Cochleas ego amo
Posts: 2,955
|
Post by coyote on Sept 20, 2011 18:11:41 GMT
That is a very interesting story, Lady Escargoth. From your pic and your description in your blog, it sounds like it may possibly have been swollen mouth and not a full gut extrusion. Swollen mouth is serious enough by itself, but not as serious as gut extrusion. Most snails do not recover from swollen mouth (I have lost a couple due to it), so I am very glad to hear that yours made a recovery regardless of what it was. It is good to know that there is hope for a snail in such a condition. Now, if we all can just get access to your boyfriend when our snails are sick!
|
|
|
|
Post by Lady Escargoth on Sept 20, 2011 19:34:53 GMT
Thank you Coyote Unfortunately for the snail, I can really tell it was not only the mouth... I remember that the stomach came out too, along with the esophagus... And it was really scary. So there were too things coming out of the snail :/ Sorry for the details....  But well, yes we were lucky that the snail recovered, even if it was only swollen mouth..... Lol for my boyfriend, he's going to be the next Dr Dolittle XD (but we live in Southern France, not very convenient for a consultation lol ) X( |
|
|
|
Post by pinkunicorn on Nov 20, 2011 14:14:07 GMT
Ugh, I just noticed one of my babies has a small "pearl" in the mouth... it's very small, not much bigger than an eye of the snail. I don't have a picture as my camera ran out of battery and I need to find the recharger first. It's very sleepy now, though was eating happily yesterday.
It doesn't seem very bad yet (and hopefully won't get worse), what do you think I should do with him? Put in a separate box without food? Or just let him be and do his own thing, hoping he'll get better eventually?
|
|
coyote
Archachatina papyracea
Cochleas ego amo
Posts: 2,955
|
Post by coyote on Nov 21, 2011 20:21:07 GMT
If it was my snail, I would let it be and see what happens.
|
|
|
|
Post by pinkunicorn on Dec 2, 2011 21:36:58 GMT
He's still well and alive, although still has a tiny pearl on his mouth... I let him just rest and do whatever snaily things he wanted. Now there's even babies on the way, so I guess it doesn't bother him too much!
|
|
coyote
Archachatina papyracea
Cochleas ego amo
Posts: 2,955
|
Post by coyote on Dec 4, 2011 1:08:24 GMT
Glad that he's doing okay. |
|
|
|
Post by pinkunicorn on Sept 17, 2012 19:56:00 GMT
I've had several Deroceras slugs die from a form of gut extrusion, I think. Some of them just have a fish-like kissy mouth when they die, often for a few hours while they are still alive poor things. Sometimes I've seen more of the gut come out through the mouth. It's very sad and seems to take the little guys in a few hours. It's especially sad to see in babies. Nothing that can be done, though. I'm not sure what causes it, but I often see it happen to several slugs in one go, so one thing I suspect is fish food that I did not let soak long enough. Then again, I used to just spray the pellets I use without soaking and nothing ever happened... No real pattern there that I can detect.
I took some pics for reference, need to dig them out. I will post them when I find them.
Just adding this "report" here, maybe it's of help at some point.
|
|
|
|
Post by pinkunicorn on Sept 22, 2012 16:53:27 GMT
Oh gods, my smallest leopard slug has come down with gut extrusion. He's but a wee baby. I guess there is absolutely nothing that can be done? I feel so awful for the little guy. He's such a cute little thing, and now he's slowly dying... |
|
|
|
Post by PennyFarthing on Oct 9, 2012 17:59:44 GMT
I'm so sorry to hear that, Pinkunicorn. I wish there was something that could be done. |
|
|
|
Post by pinkunicorn on Oct 9, 2012 19:45:06 GMT
Thank you. And thanks for bumping this, I forgot to post the pictures, perhaps they will help someone else to diagnose an odd death. This is a D.invadens young adult, postmortem.  And this is Neptune, poor little Neptune when he was still alive. It's a really bad case he had.  And postmortem. This is how I found him the next morning, I don't know how he ended up in this position. I preserved his body in alcohol as it had not started to decompose yet at all. RIP little Neptune, so sad you had to go so soon and without a chance to help you.  |
|
|
|
Post by pinkunicorn on Oct 10, 2012 22:38:29 GMT
Oh goodness what I scare I had today with one of my leopards.
She's had a weird mouth for some time, the lips are kind of pouty. She seemed to eat I'm though so I didn't worry. Today her lips seemed really big though, so I got a little worried. And just now in the evening I picked her up and saw her mouth swollen and her radula sticking out! I thought, she must be having the start of gut extrusion and is going to die. I took some photos and put her back after saying goodbyes, in case she'd be dead by morning.
Before going to bed I decided to look up on her once more. I'd not named her yet, but I had to now before she died. So I thought I call her Samsara. Dunno why, it just came to mind. I went to see her and amazingly her lip had pulled back, her radula was back inside and she looked normal! Just crazy but made me so happy, that there's a chance she makes it after all.
She wasn't into trying to eat right then as I was handling her to get photos and generally checking her. But after about an hour I went to see her again (couldn't sleep) and she was resting on a stick. I gave her some fish food, as it's soft and easy to eat. And now she's eating it! I wonder if she's able to eat harder foods or if I should try to keep her on soft foods alone so there is less risk of a relapse.
I got photos of every stage, I will post them for reference once they have been uploaded. Especially the radula pic is quite fascinating. I've never seen a slug radula like that! It's like a saw blade, feels like metal. And looks kinda metallic too. Mean looking little rasping blade.
I just hope Samsara will be OK in the morning and that this scare won't repeat...
|
|
|
|
Post by pinkunicorn on Oct 11, 2012 11:20:33 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by pinkunicorn on Oct 11, 2012 13:47:25 GMT
Oh no! Her mouth has fallen out again, just like in the radula pics above. It looks worse now, a lot worse actually. Annnnd now that I looked at her again after 5 minutes she had pulled her mouth back in. This is so bizarre. Just how long can she keep doing this? |
|
|
|
Post by pinkunicorn on Oct 11, 2012 18:18:56 GMT
And her mouth fell again, went back again, and now it's out again. Now it's REALLY bad, and I don't think she will manage to pull it in again this time. I feel so awful... I wished so much that she'd make it, that it was just a little lapse. But this is not looking good. Why do slugs seem to get this condition so much? I see this a LOT in my little slugs, and now a second leopard is succumbing to the gut extrusion. It's truly horrible. She's now next to a piece of chicken liver and is clearly fighting to pull the mouth in. I'm holding thumbs up for little Samsara to keep fighting, maybe just maybe she will make it... She's already tried so many times to beat this. I can't put her out, either. I just can't. Just in case if she'll make it. I hope she's not in a lot of pain. She was eating earlier today, and last evening... Here's more photos for documentation. They're in order of the progress of the illness.  Above pic was in the afternoon, after which her mouth returned to normal again, like in the next pic.       Right now (by the time I'd finished composing this post) Samsara just lays there on that bark. She's not fighting anymore like she was, it looks like she's given up. Occasionally an eyestalk peeks out. And her mouth has not improved. |
|
|
|
Post by pinkunicorn on Oct 18, 2012 19:32:16 GMT
Need to report this here for reference: I have, for the first time ever, encountered a wild D.invadens baby with the kind of swollen mouth that has killed off about half of my little slugs (over a period of months, not all in one go). I was wondering if it's something that occurs to my slugs, if I'm doing something wrong, but apparently it happens to wild slugs as well. Probably a lot more often than gets observed as the slugs pretty much stop moving once they get the swollen mouth (I've only ever seen a few continue moving as if nothing happened, one baby for three days) and then they are easy prey.
I think this kind of swollen mouth is just a mild version of gut extrusion, sometimes the whole digestive track slips out and sometimes it's just the mouth parts. Awful death, regardless.
|
|
