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Post by welshlassy on Oct 4, 2009 16:07:02 GMT
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malti
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Post by malti on Oct 4, 2009 16:33:31 GMT
but they're WC (wild-caught)
I'll be having some CB(Captive Bred) by december, at roughly same price
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Post by stienbabe on Oct 4, 2009 21:40:14 GMT
Natural Experience are legit and very good suppliers. Just depends if you want to hold out for cb or buy the wc ones. Personal preference I guess.
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malti
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Post by malti on Oct 4, 2009 22:32:06 GMT
Natural Experience are legit and very good suppliers. Just depends if you want to hold out for cb or buy the wc ones. Personal preference I guess. I never said anything bad about them, its just that with WC there's a bigger chance of diseases/parasites etc
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Dusk
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Post by Dusk on Oct 4, 2009 22:51:05 GMT
True, but there's also much less chance of inbreeding, which isn't too important for a single pet but very important if you're hoping to breed them. There are upsides and downsides to both
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Post by aerliss on Oct 5, 2009 12:12:59 GMT
Slightly off topic... they have Madagascan Hissing Cockroaches! I've wanted some of those since I was 7... I think my partner and housemate might kill me if I got some.
*cough*
Back on topic... is inbreeding much of a risk to health?
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Dusk
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Post by Dusk on Oct 5, 2009 14:03:08 GMT
A lot of the more common snail species in captivity have various health problems, including shell abnormalities and stunted size, as a result of continued inbreeding. The less common species are at risk of ending up that way too because it's often so hard to find two seperate sources of a rare species.While it's not yet a problem with tiger snails, if you plan on breeding any species you want to try wherever possible to get unrelated specimins. If you get a wild-caught snail, the odds are much better than it's not related to any other snail you might get.
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malti
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Post by malti on Oct 5, 2009 14:49:41 GMT
True, but there's also much less chance of inbreeding, which isn't too important for a single pet but very important if you're hoping to breed them. There are upsides and downsides to both that is right, its abit of a dilemma...in snails much more. cause you can't say buy males from somewhere and females from another
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Post by aerliss on Oct 5, 2009 16:17:49 GMT
Interesting. I was always under the impression that inbreeding, or line breeding (can't remember the difference) was relatively safe in... shall we say older and/or less complex animal species. Plus they're quite happy self fertilising (talk about inbreeding!)...
Anyway, good to know.
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malti
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Post by malti on Oct 5, 2009 16:27:18 GMT
Interesting. I was always under the impression that inbreeding, or line breeding (can't remember the difference) was relatively safe in... shall we say older and/or less complex animal species. Plus they're quite happy self fertilising (talk about inbreeding!)... Anyway, good to know. inbreeding is when someone breeds siblings to each other cause they're stupid or can't find any other animals to change bloods. Line breeding is so that a specific characteristic is passed on, say I have a fulica with a black spot, I would then try to mate it with a sibling which has a black spot aswell, so the young would have more black, until after many matings, you have a full black fulica (never seen one dunno if the exist ) Snails are different from say dogs, but after some time reproducing, there should be a new line/blood in the gene pool
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Post by Katie on Oct 5, 2009 18:21:06 GMT
Is this the same for, say, breeding a snail from one clutch, with another snail from a different clutch, but both have the same parentage? I've never known the answer to this ... Katie x
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Post by Rachel on Oct 5, 2009 20:55:15 GMT
katie: yes, they still have the same parents, so are still brothers and sisters.
"is inbreeding much of a risk to health?" Inbreeding allows faulty genes to become more and more prominent and likely to show, as dusk said it could be stunted or faulty growth, deformed air holes, stuff like that. It also increases the risk of hereditary diseases, and overall weaker snails. My problem with WC animals of any type is the ethics. Ok so all snails in captivity are ultimately from WC greathowevermany grandparents, but when there are already snails at brixton and such places that could be rescued, and there are CB snails available, how many more can be justifiablly taken from the wild? I have not got a total problem with it, obviously to introduce new blood it will have to happen sometimes, but it should not be something happening in huge amounts. You have no idea how they are gathered, transported or as said before if they have worms or disease (there is after all a much greater risk of that), or how old they are. Plus if its species becoming rarer in the wild (such as tiger snails), taking more and more adults from the wild just depletes the breeding population further, and most keepers have no way to get some of the babies sent out to the wild (if indeed they would be willing to). Thats all stuff to think about, I'd consider buying WC's, but only after seeing if there were rescues from brixton etc, or CB's I know are not related, available.
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