Zorst
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Post by Zorst on Jan 5, 2015 0:29:53 GMT
Nice photo.
Zorst
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Post by etana on Jan 5, 2015 6:35:18 GMT
Thanks for the much needed laugh this morning Etana, I really felt sorry for the amorous snail who was excluded n sat there with his foot in his mouth, though the image made me smile, but I really couldn't stop laughing at the mental image of the other two falling off the plastic strawberry. Ahh well I guess they will have to practice n learn some more. Zorst You're very welcome, and LOL I know, it must have been so frustrating in the end for all the involved snails, but I too laughed so much! I remember Lemon's first time mating, she kept trying to put her love bits into Steve's mouth, repeatedly! He would of course retract every time. She's so much fatter than Steve too (even though she's much younger) that the poor guy had to be very quick when showing her the right way to do it. Seeing all of that taught me a lot actually, I'd been thinking that snails know by instinct what to do. Turns out they too need to learn some things!
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Zorst
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Post by Zorst on Jan 5, 2015 7:19:35 GMT
Snail love lessons lol. What a thought with my first mug of tea when I wake up.
Zorst
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Post by muddydragon on Jan 11, 2015 9:50:37 GMT
Muddydragon and morningcoffee, thanks for the explanation! now i understand! I thougt in taxonomy: Achatina is the specie and the fulica, immaculata etc are different rases of that achatina specie! (muddydragon, you wrote before achatina is a specie, but i pulled the terms interchangeably so i didn;t understand)
i was thinking: achatinas are like most differente cat races can mate, but they are from the same specie (felis catus), So fulica will mate with immaculata it is the same as a cat will mate with a tiger or a horse with a zebra. with mammalspecies it is usually impossible they will mate, or it is possible, but that's not healthy (to mate a horse with a zebra par example)But though, i forgot: a mammel is much more complex than an invertebrate. it could be more often possible for invertebrate species to mate. also confusing to me: various types of invertebrates are more difficult to separate than the mammals species. In mammals, you'll see that a tiger is a different kind of animal than a cat. or a human is different than an ape. But snail species, are like rases comparing to mammels,
Sometimes I am so cocky that I even dont check information before i respond .
this was very educational for me and important that I understand now. I want to know more about taxonomy, it is a very interesting subject, but not in English. Reading in English is very difficult to me, because it is not fonetic
By the way: My different achatina species are sharing a container but so far, they prefer to sit in their own kind. I have a group fulica in one corner and a group immaculatas in a cave. The species also seem different 'characters' to have and sometimes do not understand each other at all. (now i understand why!
so I do not know whether the species will mix with each other, as long as I have several of each type of adult specimens. But i was wondering: is it okay to mix an dark immaculata with a light one?
I'm not sure where i said it was a species. I most likely said Achatina species or species of Achatina which means a species within the genus Achatina it's standard taxonomic practice if refering to several species within a genus to write Achatina spp. (spp. staing for species) or if it's an unknown species in that genus you write Achatina sp.. I love taxonomy part of the beauty is that each name within taxonomy is that same world over you can say Achatina fulica to anyone in the world and it means excatly the same thing what else can boast that . I also love that they're actually highly descriptive if you know any latin or greek (which i don't so have a biologists guide to latin and greek to look up words ). My favourite is a cactus i have called Mammilaria polythele "inermis" Mamilaria means mammal like (refereing to the mammary glands of mammals i.e. breasts) polythele means many nippled and inermis means hairless. So my cactus' posh sounding name actually means hairless many nippled breasts Also there is a a species called Achatina achatina using the same name twice is wisely forbidden in plant taxonomy but is allowed in animal taxonomy which can cause confusion so Achatina is both a genus name and a species name. especially when you consider that Achatina achatina is the least typical member of Achatina it's a daft thing really. I really recommend learning more about taxonomy it's great the words kingdom genus species etc will no doubt have different words but the name itself is the same world over If the dark and light A. immaculata are the same subspecies then yes they'll be fine together
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Post by Selena on Jan 13, 2015 18:03:02 GMT
Hi Muddydragon, i absolutely agree! I was interested in plant taxology before and latin language is very facinating, i am learning spanish because the latin influences. after i had red your reply i started to figure out the taxonomy of snails and compared it with other animals. i wrote everything down en drawings to make it clear hahaha i was very buissy with it and it was realy an eye opener!! about the snails: They all ready know it is not okay to mix (i think they have red this thread as well ;-)). One of my fulica's try to reach an immaculata (with his big genital bump) when he came near her he discovered her for a wile, you saw him wondering if she is a fulica as well. And then, He realised it was an immaculata (i think she told him). After he realised, he knew he had to go and he left a bit dissapointed . Hahaha very very clever snails!!!
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Post by etana on Jan 16, 2015 13:50:54 GMT
Aww, poor disappointed fulica! Believe it or not the young Arianta have attempted threesomes at least twice after the first incident. They seem to all end badly for one or more snails though. Poor frustrated snails, but I'm laughing. Also my dear, special, rough, old Rudolf is mating with a very pretty, flawless young Arianta right now. They have quite the size difference and it always look all kinds of wrong when Rudolf goes after the young ones, haha (and I sure hope that this one won't be left with sore love parts for days, like that one time a while ago). Though this time the young snail's mommy-dad (Big Eyes) is watching them! So again, snail love in my place is quite silly and weird. But I'm happy for Rudolf since he gets so much love here, lol. I wonder if the young snails find his scars charming or something.
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Zorst
Achatina tincta
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Post by Zorst on Jan 16, 2015 21:16:42 GMT
Ahh Rudolf's scars are his street cred that's why all the youngsters love him so much lol! I'm real glad after his rough start he's now one very happy n sounds like much loved snail who's safe n warm for the rest of his days. Seem's like he's gonna be giving you loads of little Rudolf's to keep you entertained for a good long time yet lol. Zorst
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Post by Selena on Jan 18, 2015 6:38:15 GMT
So sweet!! 'he' is giving her soft snail kisses on the edge of her shell and she clearly enjoyes! He did it for about half an hour and she began to get hungry for more.... but unfortunately he feld a sleap on the moment supreme
after he faled to finish his job, she began to seduce the poor white jads who's among them. Just to make him jalous!
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Post by etana on Jan 18, 2015 7:22:15 GMT
Ohh fantastic photo Selena! I can't wait to see my big snails give affection to each other, the small ones are so silly (though I'm happy that they like each other). There have been snaily kisses but they've been over so quickly, I haven't had the chance to take pics! Also there are definitely some mini Rudolfs in my small snails' tank, I think they're from the aftermath of his romantic dinner date in the autumn. One particular very active individual is like his spitting image in miniature size, I love his black little foot and black eyeballs. I'll definitely welcome more mini Rudolfs though, there's plenty of room in the tank.
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Zorst
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Post by Zorst on Jan 18, 2015 7:52:50 GMT
Great photo for sure, and great to hear about the mini Rudolf's. I'm still tentatively waiting on the next baby bulldozers to hatch and for the 2nd adult Bulldozer to lay its new load of eggs. Of the 5 who have already hatched they are growing fast, 2 are def creamy white n the other 2 are white but have have a very pale shade of silvery / grey over there faces and eye stalks which looks very stunning. The dark one is a silvery grey in color. Will def be interesting to see how this 5 develop color wise and then what the rest will be like in color ranges.
I can hardly wait lol
Zorst
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Post by etana on Jan 18, 2015 9:40:49 GMT
Zorst's baby Bulldozers sound impossibly cute and pretty. I want to see them so bad! I'm not sure where many of the kids of Big Eyes and Old Grumpy got their white and silvery feet, but they all have lovely super thin & long eyestalks with big white eyeballs at the tips, certaily Big Eyes' genes at work there.
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Post by muddydragon on Jan 19, 2015 16:00:40 GMT
zorst: get that camera sorted quick i want photos!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 19:34:12 GMT
Lovely snails!
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