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Post by pinkunicorn on Oct 22, 2012 17:05:41 GMT
I lost yet another leopard slug to gut extrusion. Poor Pollux, I knew this was going to happen sooner or later when I saw his radula flipped out of his mouth. I gave him pureed food which he was able to eat and enjoyed. But this is like an epidemic now, three slugs in rapid succession maybe even four, though I'm not sure what killed Arlene.
Does anyone have more knowledge on this? Is it caused by a parasite perhaps? Does this mean I'm slowly going to see Garfield, Ceres, Castor and Maitrī die as well? They don't have any noticeable symptoms now, and I hope they won't get any. Garfield and Ceres hang out most of the time but the two others are more solitary , in case it's infective.
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Post by vallery on Oct 22, 2012 18:49:47 GMT
I'm so sorry I don't have any answers for you. I wish I could help. This must be so awful for you. So sorry for your loss.
vallery.
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Post by jembolina on Nov 11, 2012 13:48:55 GMT
Do you think it could have anything to do with diet? It's just a suggestion, I really have no idea about gut extrusion and its causes, but some fruits and veggies retain pesticides in the skin even after washing them. Here's a list that might help;  |
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Giu
Archachatina marginata
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Post by Giu on Feb 24, 2014 22:09:59 GMT
That's what just happened to my fulica WJ.. But it was worse. She didn't move since days, the body out
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luci
Achatina fulica
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Post by luci on Jun 26, 2014 16:18:26 GMT
Hi everyone, I am new to this forum and I am no vet or snail expert though I want to share my experience which may help somenone. My son has got achatina reticulata (I believe) for two years already but this year in May the snail suddenly suffered the horrendous condition of "gut extrusion" or as I learnt on the Czech Internet (as I am from Czech Republic) they call it a "craw prolapse" which can be caused by food poisoning, infection, bacterial unbalance or by a parasites. It happened when my son was not at home so it was left on me to research and handle the problem of course. The poor snail’s condition was like this (picture from May 10th 2014, 21:25 CET) :  It was terribly hanging out of his mouth he couldn’t even hide himself back in the shell. First I was looking for a solution (or what could be done to help that poor guy) in Czech language and I have found some suggestions (which helped very much in the end, more on that later) but it sounded too radical so I was searching on English forums like this too but was surprised everywhere they say it is fatal and there is no other way than "put the snail to sleep" or that they don’t know what to do. What to do when you find your snail in such condition? Don’t give up! Don’t put your snail to sleep yet! There is a hope!And here is a proof! It is still alive with no guts outside anymore wandering around happily again (picture of the very same snail from the last Sunday June 22nd, 13:51 CEST):  Here is what you need to do (or with help of your parents or a vet if you do not feel to do it yourself) if you want to give it a try and save your snail from certain death. One just needs a bit of courage and overcome the discomfort (the following is roughly what I’ve found on petsnails fan websites in Czech language translated): - Wash your hands, prepare a sterilized needle and e.g. some coffee spoon with not sharp rounded end of the handle or something which would fit the mouth size of your snail (you can sterilize by keeping them in a pot of boiling water for 1 or 2 minutes) + optionally silicon gloves (if you have them)
- When it cools down after a little while carefully puncture the wall of the craw (the guts) to let the liquid (it is simmilar to a blister liquid) leak out and make it go down (deflate) - it should heal itself after some time - maybe you will need to repeat that if the craw fills again with the liquid (I had to repeat it again twice after half an hour or so) - you can help it leak out a little bit by pushing it with the sterilized spoon no matter how bad it looks it will help unburden that poor guy
- When the craw is empty and deflated and does not get filled in with the transparent liquid anymore you need to prepare for an operation "surgery" - basically just carefully and slowly try to push the guts step by step back in the mouth of the snail with the rounded end of spoon (or other unsharp tool to avoid damage to the snail’s guts) - there is no way the snail would be able to swallow it (suck it in) him/herself easily if it was so much out (as is probably very weak already after not able to eat for longer time). It should be safe to go about 1cm deep inside I think.
- After successfuly managing to put the craw back inside put the snail for few days to a quarantine box without any soil, keep praying it will fit back inside properly and start eating soon, watch the snail and you can bath him/her in a cammomile bath once a day to help the healing process.
This is what I did and it helped my son’s buddy. He is still alive after more than one month since the incident, eating again (maybe a bit less but he certaily eats normally again - though does not like the cucumber that much anymore like before - maybe it was the culprit ?) and it did not come back.
I cannot guarantee it will help you in every case, it might happen the snail will not survive, but I think it is worth of the try instead of letting the pet to die anyway or putting it "on sleep". I hope it can help someone too...
Here is the source I found the information which inspired me to do that (the part of pushing it back in was my idea because the snail was suffering with the emptied craw hanging out of his mouth unable to swallow it or eat anything): worldsnails.blog.cz/
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Post by muddydragon on Jun 27, 2014 17:22:35 GMT
This is wonderful to hear thankyou.
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Zorst
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Post by Zorst on Jun 27, 2014 19:15:23 GMT
Yes it really is, hopefully it'll help a lot of snails as well or at least give them a chance.
Zorst
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Cashell
Archachatina puylaerti
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Post by Cashell on Jun 28, 2014 2:13:47 GMT
The photo of that reticulata in the green grass with flowers is beautiful. I'm glad to read that you've found a method to save this snail and I hope it proves out to be successful among other species that suffer from gut extrusion.
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Post by malacophile on Jun 30, 2014 3:37:14 GMT
It's good to see this information! I'll render it to a text file in the event that I ever need it, although I certainly hope I never do. I've fortunately got some medical supplies on hand that would make this process smoother.
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Zorst
Achatina tincta
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Post by Zorst on Jun 30, 2014 6:47:07 GMT
Likewise here malacophile.
Zorst
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Post by muddydragon on Nov 15, 2014 12:51:18 GMT
Here's some wonderful & very useful quotes from Italian vet Marco Giuseppe who commented on a prolapse question on a facebook group. Unfortunately finding an exotic vet who does know how to treat snails is probably highly unlikely but there is no harm in asking if you can find one nearby. For more info on this book and other publications see here: petsnails.proboards.com/thread/14528/gastropod-medicine-books-publicationsregarding snails: A very useful technique, in short i think immersing the swollen radula/ gut/ whatever is going on, in a high glucose (sugar) concentration is worth a try to see if that can bring the swelling down first, however i would be wary regarding letting the foor rest in this solution (as the skin is also permeable so they could loose water that way) then to go onto the pinprick method. The causes and after treatment is very interesting |
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Archachatina puylaerti
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Post by Cashell on Nov 17, 2014 1:54:56 GMT
Snail endoscopy? Sounds pretty interesting.
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Post by etana on Nov 19, 2014 12:08:16 GMT
Very interesting about hypocalcemia & radula prolapse, though btw, is it known what technically causes the gut to come out?
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Post by muddydragon on Nov 19, 2014 14:21:41 GMT
i think it's a bit undecided. I found a paper where there was a bacterial infection present in a farmed population where they all suddenly got gut extrusion/oral prolapse. I'll have a look for it again when i get chance.
it's worth noting that the loss of natural gut flora due to overcleaning would make them more susceptible to such infections. I have heard of more cases of gut extrusion/oral prolapse lately and i've also seen more cases of people cleaning too often so i wouldn't be suprised if they were linked.
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Post by etana on Nov 19, 2014 15:34:31 GMT
Okay. I'm looking forward to getting more information. I hope me and my snails never have to go through this horrible thing, and I want to know as much as possible about what causes and effects there are.
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Post by muddydragon on Nov 19, 2014 16:11:56 GMT
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Post by etana on Nov 21, 2014 21:58:15 GMT
Thanks, muddydragon.
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minineko
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Post by minineko on Oct 14, 2015 4:28:01 GMT
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Post by cardinia on Feb 25, 2017 12:39:11 GMT
Hi,
My snail(Lissachatina reticulata) died time ago. I was not at home for a few days and when I came back he was already dead.
I made a simple dissection ( I would like to make it bette, but I dont have specifi equilment yet), because I was interested in cause of his dead. But I am not a specialist in snail necropsy so I would like to ask you if you can see from the picture some strange things.
I see Im probably not posting it in the correct conversation. So Im sorry.
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