Immac rasping?

[felix93]

I still have this question, have read so many posts saying there are chances that immac rasping other species of snails. I really want to know what's this percentage and how many members really have a immac rasping another snail? Or everybody here really keep their immac separate from other species?

I have got 23 immac in total. 12 2 tones are kept with 2 of my albino margies in a 550 litres tank (I know 2 tones were not mentioned that they rasp), and the other 11 are kept with 3 of WC fulicas, also in the same size of tank. Most of these immacs are not related. I feed them with lots of different choices of food (just veg, no meat) every other night and when I check them every morning, they usually look contented and hang on the wall of the tanks / looks like sleeping together. I check them every single night to make sure everybody isn't retracted or others. So far I have not seen any sign of rasping, not that I want them to. May be I am just the luckiest one.

So I really want to know this rasping issue, is there a really a statement from professional snail keepers stating this, or just some kind of what's happened to some member's snails?

[copigeon]

Until I split every species to its own enclosure. I never had an issue with immaculata and other species in the same enclosure.

It was sarahs experiment with the ventricosa which caused alarm.

[KathyM]

I never had this problem with my old immacs, and they were kept in with fulicas. I've read a couple of horror stories but not read anything "scientific" about it, if you get me.

[Kevin]

I first heard about it last year from someone away from this forum who kept what was then striped panthera with Limicolaria, he told me through email that his panthera had killed and eaten the Limicolaria, or at least was eating at theyre body and shells, at the time it was dismissed that all the Limi's had just died and the panthera were taking advantage of a calcium source, since then its also been mentioned of happening on here.

I kept a lot of fulica with my immac's (ones which were known as panthera, immaculata and smithii) in a large storage container, all of the fulica (the red apex ones) died within a few weeks, the immac's were all ok, I assumed it was some virus, or something that I fed them, but I couldnt understand why all the immac's were ok, so maybe they were also attacked by them? I cant prove it though, since I never noticed anything happening at the time.

[felix93]

Okay, thanks.

The reason I ask is because I am converting one of the rooms into a reptiles room and I want to have some tank built and not too sure if I should have seperate tanks built just for the immacs. If I just keep my immacs with what they are with atm, it will cost less to have more tanks built if you know what I mean.

I wonder if the said immacs had killed other species of snails because they're lack of some sort of calcium (even cuttles probably were provided) or other substances? For mine I have at least 5 medium size cuttles in each tank and I know the cuttles go faster than my other cuttles in other species tanks.

[Moracai]

If Immac's rasp other snails, or it seems to be the case, why has no-one seen Immac's rasp other Immac's?

[craftysnails]

I am keeping Immacs with Fulicas for past 3 months now and I didnt see any rasping as they settle in and happy together in Tank. They all are same size. I keep others in different tank. retis with tigers.

[Tigs]

I have always kept the Immacs seperate - Not that i have had them very long.

Im going to try the same experiments at Kevin (Bringing up a Fulica and an Immac together) but will keep a very close eye on them

Tigs

[Moracai]

Mine are just babies at the moment,and in a tank of their own. Will keep an eye on this issue in case i need to ever put mine in with something else.

[LisaLQ]

moracai said:

If Immac's rasp other snails, or it seems to be the case, why has no-one seen Immac's rasp other Immac's?

No-one? I have. My pantheras (Phil and Dudley) rasped each others necks when they mated, leaving "love-bites".

My immacs (Phil and the stripes) were definitely suspected of bringing about (or aiding) Magenta and Nigel's deaths, and badly scarring my other bigger margies. Not anywhere near as badly as Sarah's but probably because I didn't set them up to do it on purpose, and removed the immacs as soon as I knew they were doing it. As soon as they were removed, my older margies picked up and started acting normally again.

I wouldn't recommend anyone keep their immacs (other than two-tones) in with other snails. It might not be evident to you - but if you check your other snails, and there are black scars on their feet, or they are retracting, or there's a change in their behaviour - dont think twice, remove the immacs. I left it too late and probably lost Magenta and Nigel because I didn't notice the signs until I saw the pantheras in the act of biting them.

It's not just one or two of us, there's many of us who've seen them rasping on others but removed before any real harm is done. Just because it doesn't happen with yours doesn't mean that these are just fables

If you are going to risk it, dont put them in with any youngsters - only big adult snails.

[Moracai]

Ahh, wasn't aware that anyone had had Immac's rasp on each other as well.
That decides it for me, they will always remain in their own tank. I don't think I will ever take the risk. I will just keep an eye on them to make sure they are not rasping each other either.

[felix93]

So far whenever I go and check my smails, Phil and Dudley are always on the cuttles, and no sign of them mating or rasping yet (I am up all odd hours, so I see them pretty active during night time). I will make sure I won't put any babies in with them.

[sezzy5889]

yes i found with all my immacs, mostly panthera that they rasp eachother when in the process of mating, its seems the one that climbs onto the other rasps at its neck and almost seduces the other into mating as there sometimes wasn't any courtship first.

[Elven]

My pantheras have rasped each other. I think I have to get them more meat on the menu. And never going to put fulicas with them, just in case.