Val
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Post by Val on May 3, 2006 21:17:17 GMT
Has anyone actually bred albino margies yet? I mean albino + albino, not crossed with anything. I am wondering if mine are actually fertile none of the eggs seem to be doing anything Or perhaps they take an extra long time to hatch? does anyone know? Val
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Post by felix93 on May 3, 2006 21:30:29 GMT
I have got 3 babies Albino margies atm, they are about 2 weeks old. The adults albino margies are the one I got from my friend, and the first baby took 4 weeks 2 days to hatch. The ones I bought from NWE have since laid 3 batches of eggs, but the first lot no eggs hatched, may be infertile. I did not bother about the last 2 lots because I want to concentrate with my lignus babies atm. I know they have mated 2 nights before again, so I am expecting another batch of eggs soon.
edit: I did crack the 1st batch of eggs after 5 weeks and there're baby shells in there, but tiny ones, so somehow I think they just did not grow, may be it's because of the temp changed in that tank.
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gabi
Achatina tincta
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Post by gabi on May 4, 2006 9:13:10 GMT
I´ve had since January about 7 batches of eggs (always between 5 and 7 eggs per batch). There hatched some babies, but most of them (specially the clear white ones) died within the first few days. I have now 5 clear-white babies and about 7 beige ones from this batches (please don´t ask me, they are spoken for or will live with me. ;D )
Me personally thinks, that the mortality of those albinos is higher than the with other margies. But maybe it´s just in my home so.
Kind regards,
Gabi
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Ruth
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Post by Ruth on May 4, 2006 11:07:47 GMT
I have had over the past couple of months 4 batches of eggs (one from each of my margies, i assume). The first lot started developing as i could see them stuck onto the shell but when they didn't hatch after about 6 weeks or so i cracked them open to find they were all full of teeny little, empty shells Then i had another 2 batches at about the same time and kept 3 eggs from each. They have been hatching over the last couple of weeks (well one hatched and then another 4 in the last few days). Atm i have 5 bubbas and some eggies that i didn't have the heart to put in the fridge as i could see them developing when i found them. One thing that is weird tho is that the babies i have now are all ovum but came from what i presumed to be saturalis eggs (as they were the smallest eggs). Does that mean they could have been laid by a saturalis but be a cross breed or is it just that egg size does not indicate variant? Does anyone know?
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gabi
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Post by gabi on May 4, 2006 11:42:42 GMT
It´s same here ruth!
Some are having yellowish others have red columellas and some have bodies and shell´s like those ventries some of us got from Lucy.
My parent-margie-albino´s all have a bright yellow columella and I have only 2 of them and only those laid all those eggs.
Me personally thinks more and more, that we do have here crosses from alot of Archachatine-breeds.
Kind regards,
Gabi
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Post by felix93 on May 4, 2006 12:39:45 GMT
The 3 babies I have got are 2 of them have very white bodies almost transparent with a "pink / red" columellas and the other one has just dark body like ovum. I ain't too sure with the columella with this one. Both of the parents are Albino Archachatina Marginatas var. Suturalis. I keep different type of margies in different tank, so I know the eggs that hatched are Suturalis.
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Post by sezzy5889 on May 4, 2006 12:50:20 GMT
I have light creamy coloured babies, i know one of the parents was a tea stained colour but i don't know who the other parent was as he was pregnant when i got him
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Ruth
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Post by Ruth on May 4, 2006 13:01:26 GMT
It´s same here ruth! Some are having yellowish others have red columellas and some have bodies and shell´s like those ventries some of us got from Lucy. My parent-margie-albino´s all have a bright yellow columella and I have only 2 of them and only those laid all those eggs. Me personally thinks more and more, that we do have here crosses from alot of Archachatine-breeds. Oh, wow, so you could actually have Ventri x margi babies. If all the potential parents have yellow columellas then you would think that they must be a cross with something else, namely the ventris if they were the others in the tank. Do you have any pics, i'd love to see what a potential margie x venti bubba looks like. They must be adorable
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Post by sezzy5889 on May 4, 2006 13:09:12 GMT
they wouldn't have a yellow com though surely
Ventri's have purple coms, suturalis pink, ovum orange
are you sure they aren't just too young to tell yet, they may develop colour later, mine don't have colour yet, i know one parent is ovum
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Ruth
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Post by Ruth on May 4, 2006 13:29:47 GMT
they wouldn't have a yellow com though surely are you sure they aren't just too young to tell yet, they may develop colour later, mine don't have colour yet, i know one parent is ovum Maybe that is it, maybe they don't develop the colour until later on It would explain why all of my babies have yellow columellas, even tho they came from (presumed) Saturalis eggs. How long did the colour on your babies take to show Felix? Edit: Just realised that delayed pigment development wouldn't explain why some of Gabi's have pink/ red columellas when the parents are ovum. Very strange, have to wait and see if they develop/ change colour.
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Post by Paul on May 4, 2006 13:46:53 GMT
The albino pictures I've seen people post all look like marginata to me, although some could be degneri, it'd ne hard to tell without very close inspection. Not seen any that look like ventricosa; if anyone has some pics I'd like to see them.
Crossbreeds could occur in the babies people have hatched, but if the adults were crossbreeds, and degneri/ventricosa and marginata are truly separate species then crossbreeds couldn't go on to have babies.
It sounds to me that some of the babies may be ovum/suturalis crosses which is perfectly normal as variants/subspecies are of the same species, so crossbreeding isn't really crossbreeding at all. It would explain the columella colour.
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Evelyn
Achatina immaculata
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Post by Evelyn on May 5, 2006 9:13:30 GMT
Yes I have breed albino Margies too. But so many eggs don´t hatch ;( From 5 batches only 10 margies hatched. And there were 3 beige margies under them.
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Post by sezzy5889 on May 5, 2006 10:06:03 GMT
same here they tend not to have a high fertility rate, i had in my first lot 26 eggs from albino snails, 16 babies hatched and i have 6 left, 5 are creamy colour one is dusty colour
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Ruth
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Post by Ruth on May 5, 2006 10:11:27 GMT
same here they tend not to have a high fertility rate, i had in my first lot 26 eggs from albino snails, 16 babies hatched and i have 6 left, 5 are creamy colour one is dusty colour Ahhh, what happened to the other 10? I read about poor little Bennie but what about the others?
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Post by sezzy5889 on May 5, 2006 10:27:08 GMT
i've no idea i am working all the time trying to make the right environment for them, at the moment they are in their own little tank inside one of the big tanks, so they have the heat and everything but no big snails trampling on them or attacking them, they seem to be doing ok like this, if they get better and do well i shall carry on with this method, if not i will keep trying 'til i get it right!
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Post by sezzy5889 on May 5, 2006 11:05:36 GMT
I just found another batch of 6 eggs but the daddies black and the mummies white, gosh i'm even giving them their own races as well as sexes, lol
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Val
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Post by Val on May 5, 2006 18:28:11 GMT
Yes I have breed albino Margies too. But so many eggs don´t hatch ;( From 5 batches only 10 margies hatched. And there were 3 beige margies under them. Evelyn, gabi, felix what temp. did you hatch your eggs at? I don't know if mine are too warm or too cold, it is so hit and miss Val
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gabi
Achatina tincta
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Post by gabi on May 5, 2006 18:34:43 GMT
I have tried it at different temps (30, 25, 20 degree). It was always the same. Out of 6 eggs hatched around 2 or 3 (max 4) and more than the half of them died off. BTW, the cooler it was, the longer they needed to hatch. I always had the eggs in very wet conditions (cocohumus and in a crickets-box). Kind regards, Gabi
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Post by Paul on May 5, 2006 19:33:48 GMT
If you haven't already I'd give this a good read: www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/6210/rsch.htmThey bred 100s and 100s and spent time finding the optimum conditions. It's probably not possible to get the conditions exactly but I bet the closer you get the more success you will have. I know suturalis eggs are easier to hatch, but I leave them where they are now, because moving them made the success rate drop quite a bit. And I think it's true also of degneri, but I'll confirm that when I see how many of the next clutch hatch after not being moved.
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Post by sezzy5889 on May 5, 2006 19:41:19 GMT
hmm, 4 out of my 12 suturalis eggs hatched, but they died off very quick, i now only have 1 :-( has anyone had a good success rate with raising suturalis to at least 4cm? if so can you let me in on some tips?
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Post by Paul on May 5, 2006 20:29:08 GMT
Mine haven't reached 4cm yet, but I've only had 2 eggs not hatch when left in the tank and 2 babies die very tiny. 4 or 5 eggs didn't hatch when I moved them. They eat loads and are growing quick. I don't do anything fancy, just moist and warm with a good variety of food. I don't disturb them much though, other than during cleaning and the occasional head count. I just let them get on with it.
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Post by sezzy5889 on May 5, 2006 20:47:15 GMT
what temp are they kept at day and night? and are thye kept humid?
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Val
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Post by Val on May 5, 2006 21:10:13 GMT
If you haven't already I'd give this a good read: www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/6210/rsch.htmThey bred 100s and 100s and spent time finding the optimum conditions. It's probably not possible to get the conditions exactly but I bet the closer you get the more success you will have. I know suturalis eggs are easier to hatch, but I leave them where they are now, because moving them made the success rate drop quite a bit. And I think it's true also of degneri, but I'll confirm that when I see how many of the next clutch hatch after not being moved. I can't access this Paul, were these albinos that they bred? Val
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Post by sezzy5889 on May 5, 2006 21:43:47 GMT
it doesn't say
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Arno
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Post by Arno on May 5, 2006 21:48:46 GMT
hmm, 4 out of my 12 suturalis eggs hatched, but they died off very quick, i now only have 1 :-( has anyone had a good success rate with raising suturalis to at least 4cm? if so can you let me in on some tips? I have 3 suturalis x ovum crossbreeds which are now at 6 cm,3 which seem to be a bit slow growers at 3 cm and one in between. I don't do anything different though,humidity about 80-90 % ,temp about 22-25,spray them with liquid calcium and give a wide variety of food but nothing special.Substrate is coir with moss...
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