Moracai
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Post by Moracai on Jun 23, 2006 15:31:59 GMT
Oh dear, poor thing. Have you got a short sided tank you can put her in? so she hopefully won't climb? Or is she not trying to climb? My 4 spike's all did the head not comming out thing, looked like they were backwards in their shells. They unfortunately didn't make it. I hope she pulls through, but it doesn't look good to me. Maybe someone more knowledgable should advise on this.
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Post by eric2 on Jun 23, 2006 16:21:33 GMT
aww poor snail check petsnails.co.uk there is a bit on mantle collapse on there
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Post by section8angel on Jun 23, 2006 19:23:39 GMT
Oh dear I hope she pulls through. *Sends hugs and goodluck*
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Post by anjieburdett on Jun 23, 2006 19:43:42 GMT
I had this with my fuilica a while back Lisa.....don't do anything drastic yet, try putting her in a very short sided tank so that she can't climb and let her shell dangle!!! Mine actually repaired his mantle, but only survived around 6 months afterwards. There's talk of mantle collapse causing lung damage, but give her a chance. Its awful i know Let us know how she gets on. For one minute i thought that magenta was the margie you got from me Anjie,x.
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Post by sezzy5889 on Jun 23, 2006 20:07:25 GMT
i had three snails get collapsed mantles, 2 recoved ok but died a couple of months later, 1 died very quickly, the best you can do is make her comfortable...
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Post by LisaLQ on Jun 24, 2006 0:43:07 GMT
Thanks guys, she's not attempting to move any more, but shall move her into a smaller tank in the morning (she's in a storage box atm). She's not eaten, and despite me seeing her trying to come out she's not actually managed it yet. I saw the bottom of her face come out, and her tails permanently out, but that's it.
No Anjie, Mags is my suturalis baby that Eric got from his local pet shop, some other folks here have her "littermates".
I'm sorry - it's been a shitey day today, been to docs, on higher dose new meds and feeling like I'm on another planet or going to chuck up, so I'm off to bed - thanks for the help, I'll keep you updated.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2006 16:54:18 GMT
awww I'm sorry Lisa. Poor snail
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LisaLQ
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Post by LisaLQ on Jun 24, 2006 20:35:42 GMT
Thanks for all the help but I've just found Magenta dead.
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Post by felix93 on Jun 24, 2006 20:43:01 GMT
((((Lisa)))) That's sooooooooooo sad. I am so sorry!
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Post by Moracai on Jun 24, 2006 22:07:04 GMT
aww, so sorry to hear that. You did your best for her, and I am sure she knew.
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Post by LisaLQ on Jun 25, 2006 21:35:05 GMT
What do you think this snail is now he's grown a bit? I'm really keen to find out, as I have a feeling that if these are also panthera, that removing the others from Magenta's tank may not have been enough. Nigel is also now slightly retracted and looking poorly (not coming out this evening, despite a zoom round the tank last night and popping out for food this morning), and yet all other tank mates are healthy and happy, and thriving. Do smithiis have a reputation for chewing on other snails like pantheras? There are two of these (my one and Kathy's one) in with Nigel and the dimis (not the culprits as they've lived together since January with no sign of a problem). No other ill snails anywhere, all really active and eating well. Only these two who retracted when the big viv was found to have mites in it. Been bare tanked before with no problems, and now they're on coir in a storage box. I dont know what's going on - I know it cant be a catching thing otherwise my dimis would have shown first signs with them being so much smaller. And the above snail is only a baby, so he'd be showing signs too - but him and his brother are very plump and healthy. Made me wonder whether it might be them causing the problem? I'll move Nigel to his own tank. Does anyone else have any ideas what might be happening?
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Post by knownperson on Jun 25, 2006 22:04:17 GMT
Recent studies have shown 'Smithii' may just be another varient of Immaculata like panthera so the two species may infact be the same
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Post by LisaLQ on Jun 25, 2006 22:10:18 GMT
Yes I had heard that too, but if all immacs chewed other snails then surely my dimis would have? I just wanted to know if anyone else had smithii (or the immac variant they are really) that chewed on other snails. Otherwise I cant think of any reason why only two related margies from the same batch would get poorly at the same time. If it was infectious the other snails in there would have it too, which they dont. So either the other snails are causing it, or there's some genetic problem maybe, but that's unlikely as there are others here with snails from the same batch (felix93 I think is one) who haven't had any problems. Oh I dont know. I have been really strict with my cleaning tanks, and washing hands between handling snails in different tanks. In fact I went so paranoid as to handle them at different times of day and washing my hands, so god knows what's happened. All snails (including other margies and the babies) in other tanks are healthy. What's gone wrong?
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Post by felix93 on Jun 25, 2006 22:16:16 GMT
Lisa, my 3 that related to Magenta are okay although they did not grow in the very beginning when I first got them. They are all in the decent right size now. I am too obsessed in cleaning (in general, not just snails tanks) and I cleaned the tank every few days and give all my snails a bath, but you are doing the same thing anyway, don't beat yourself up for loosing Magenta. I know it's very sad especially she is just so young. edit: here is the pic of my 3 that related to Magenta. The pic was taken when Sian sent me ET & Sammie, about a couple weeks ago. The 3 are on the left.
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Post by eric2 on Jun 26, 2006 8:08:41 GMT
i have three smithii babies which are being forwaded to sam and i have seen one of them chew on a shell but not on a snails body these smithii are young
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Post by eric2 on Jun 26, 2006 8:12:40 GMT
has anyone else who has had margie babies had any problems?
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Post by LisaLQ on Jun 26, 2006 8:39:19 GMT
I doubt they do, I was just clutching at straws to find an explanation, this is most certainly something I've done wrong somewhere as they've always been greedy, fast growing, healthy snails. I dont know why this is happening and it's certainly not anyone else's fault.
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Post by Paul on Jun 26, 2006 12:19:23 GMT
Recent studies have shown 'Smithii' may just be another varient of Immaculata like panthera so the two species may infact be the same Let's be clear about this, Achatina smithii exist and they come from South Africa. I am 99.9% sure that they do not have a pink/red columella, as the only species from South Africa with such a columella is immaculata. They have granulated nepionic whorls. I have been told, from what I think is a reliable source that no-one has heard of smithii being brought into Europe in the last 25 years. Once again, it is a case of mistaken identity from a decision somewhere along the line based on no evidence. As far as I'm concerned any "smithii" in captivity are immaculata unless proven otherwise; the evidence fits so well and we know immaculata are hugely polymorphic. I am not saying they are a "new" variety of immaculata as some people seem to have understood it. I believe whatever varieties of immaculata there are that have been found in the wild have been totally diminished by crossbreeding variants in captivity and so are now whimsical at best. If anyone can find any evidence of them being smithii, I'd like to see it coz I have not yet found 1 shred of evidence in that area. The problem comes, not from things being changed or new definitions, but from mistaken IDs based on 0 evidence in the past, and then word of mouth and heresay propagating it.
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Post by section8angel on Jun 26, 2006 15:56:14 GMT
So should we be calling them immac var smithii/whatever, like panthera and two-tones or would they be just immacs?
Lisa what could you have done wrong? You feed them well, clean them well and look after them damn well!! I don't think you've done anything wrong.
How is Nigel doing?
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Post by Paul on Jun 26, 2006 16:16:05 GMT
So should we be calling them immac var smithii/whatever, like panthera and two-tones or would they be just immacs? Just immaculata, smithii are a completely different species.
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Post by section8angel on Jun 26, 2006 16:29:24 GMT
Okey dokey. *Now goes to change it everywhere she's written it* Lol
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Post by LisaLQ on Jun 27, 2006 13:04:45 GMT
Sorry I didn't reply sooner. We lost Nigel too. All other snails well, my big quest to find out what happened brought up nothing I could think of. I'm going to assume that the mites weakened them too much, and despite bare tanking and bathing them, they died because of that.
No mites now, big snails back in big tank. Smithis/panthera/immacs or whatever they are are all going to live together from now on just to be safe.
Very saddened by what's happened, obviously very embarrassed too - and very sad for Sam, as Nigel was going to be moving on to her.
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Post by section8angel on Jun 27, 2006 13:46:45 GMT
Oh no I'm so sorry. Glad everyone else is ok.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2006 16:19:26 GMT
awww I'm sorry Lisa, that's so sad at least the mites are gone now
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