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Post by LisaLQ on Jul 11, 2006 12:34:24 GMT
Has anyone got piccies of a collapsed mantle? I checked on the fulicas this morning, and Cooper was on the roof, and it looks like his mantle has come away from his columnella side. I really need a pic to compare to, but if it's a collapsed mantle what are the chances he will pull through it? Cos if I lost Cooper now, I'd be devastated  |
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Post by section8angel on Jul 11, 2006 12:53:25 GMT
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Post by anjieburdett on Jul 11, 2006 13:07:38 GMT
Thanks Sian! i was desperately looking for the pics of my fulia!!
Lisa, i'm sure you've been told this before but get him into a very shallow tank with loads of substrate so that he can't climb and dangle his shell. It will give it a chance to mend, and it CAN mend because my fulica mended his, it left a funny scar thing at the edge of his shell but it mended!!! He only survived about 6 months afterwards but i have no way of knowing if that was due to the mantel problems or not.
Good luck and i have my fingers and legs crossed for him.
Anjie,x.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2006 13:11:13 GMT
Lisa has his whole mantle detached from the edge of the shell?
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Post by LisaLQ on Jul 11, 2006 13:11:19 GMT
This is my problem, I dont have any shallower tanks - only a tiny tommy tank that is only double his length, if that - I doubt he could even turn around in it let alone dangle.
Hubby's going to Focus later so he'll pick something up then. In the meantime I'll put him in the tub that my new albino arrived in.
I'll try and get piccies if I can.
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Post by LisaLQ on Jul 11, 2006 13:33:17 GMT
Ok, just got him out of the main tank, and took some piccies. Where the mantle had originally come away near the columnella, there's now no sign. But on the other side he's partially retracted, not all the way along though, the pic will show what I mean:  This is where it had originally come apart - I could see right inside his shell, it wasnt as if it'd just gone in a bit - there was a white band round his "stalk" (for want of a better word) and nothing connecting it to the shell. I'm assuming that white band was the inside of his mantle?  He's gone in the little baby tank for now - it's really not big enough for him long term though. He's very sluggish (ok, for want of a better word there too!) and not even trying to climb, he's on his side with his foot on the side, just above the moss though so his weight is on that. Just checked him before pressing the send button, and his mantle on the side that was retracted has come back down to normal level - cant see underneath him to check his columnella side though. Wish I'd got pics earlier but didn't have the camera then |
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Post by LisaLQ on Jul 11, 2006 13:34:00 GMT
No it wasn't all the way round, just that columnella side.
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Post by LisaLQ on Jul 11, 2006 13:50:43 GMT
Ok, the hole has reappeared, even though he's not climbing, just on his side.   It doesn't show it well, but if you imagine - it's from the top of his columnella, right down that side to the bottom. |
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Post by anjieburdett on Jul 11, 2006 15:09:42 GMT
Thats exactly what happened to mine Lisa - but don't fall apart just yet, it can get better i promise you  You just have to try and stop him putting strain on the mantle until it has time to heal. if you don't have a shallow tank maybe a taller one will do the same job if you fill it 3/4 of the way up with substrate. Anjie,x. |
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Post by section8angel on Jul 11, 2006 16:55:08 GMT
Goodluck with him Lisa. Got everything crossed here too  |
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Post by Val on Jul 11, 2006 17:48:27 GMT
Oh dear, I will be thinking of him as well !!
Val
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Post by LisaLQ on Jul 11, 2006 18:45:58 GMT
Thanks folks, he's looking very poorly right now, he's attempted to go back in his shell, but his mantle has overlapped his new growth (as if he was heavily pregnant and then some more) by about half a cm, and his body is swollen looking. He stuck one eye out when I checked on him, but he's trying to bury himself as much as he can He's in my tiny baby tank right now - this is a piccie I took earlier:  I was so unprepared, I used the moss out of my new albino's travel tub, he has more in there now but he's not moving other than to go downwards. I'm keeping him wet but not too wet. Will he be ok in there for tonight? Hubby couldn't get down to town, so is going first thing in the morning, he says he's seen the perfect tub for him in Morrisons and it has vents in already (it's a lady's boot storage box - shallow but bigger floor space than what he's in). I'm in super panic mode, today started off so lovely with our new albino coming, only to find him with tear in his mantle, and now looking so poorly. It's amazing how attached we get to our snails, isn't it? Or is it just me?  |
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Post by felix93 on Jul 11, 2006 19:37:52 GMT
((((Lisa)))) I hope he will pull through, as Anjie said, don't think of the negative yet, he can get better. Fingers, eyes, toes crossed for you. *I know it probably does not help you to stop worrying, sorry!*
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Post by LisaLQ on Jul 11, 2006 19:55:43 GMT
Thanks Felix for the lovely message. As I type, drama king (or maybe I should stick with the queen *lol*) Cooper is poking his head out of the moss as if to say "Is anyone watching me being poorly or what?"  |
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Post by Val on Jul 11, 2006 21:16:50 GMT
No Lisa, it isn't just you, our snails are a pet and we love them as much as we would any other pet, no difference at all. Do so so hope he gets better, he looks comfy in that small tank though.
Val
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Post by luvfishies on Jul 12, 2006 5:57:45 GMT
Oh dear, sorry to read this thread I know I'm new at this, but applesnails get detached mantles as well, and it's deadly to them. At least here there's some hope. From what I'm understanding, the tub you've got him in is perfectly fine, but needs more substrate so he literally canNOT climb. He can still climb in that critter keeper. Don't worry about space issues right now, keep him as immobile as possible, and feed foods high in calcium and protien so as to give him the best chance of recovery. |
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Post by LisaLQ on Jul 12, 2006 8:13:13 GMT
Thanks for the kind messages The tank he's in has much more moss in now, I put it in after I took the pics but before I posted, if you get me. He cant hang from the top without support, it's too full. Saying that, he's not attempting to anyway. He's not eaten, and he's still looking puffed up. |
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Post by section8angel on Jul 12, 2006 12:44:13 GMT
Not the same problem I know but George isn't eating much at the moment except cuttlefish as he's repairing his shell. So maybe Cooper is saving energy? Still got everything crossed for you |
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Post by LisaLQ on Jul 12, 2006 19:10:10 GMT
Thanks Sian - I'll be crossing mine for George ;D Hubby picked up a bigger, but shallower, tub for him today. Bigger than the one in the piccie that is - it's actually a shoe storage box from Morrisons (and I'm sending him back for one or two more as they stack by clicking together and have their own ventilation holes in). I'll post dimensions later - they're 2 for £5, but they do have bigger ones too. I want a couple in case I have any more babies in the future or have another poorly one. And I mean snail wise, not me, when I say babies  He's not eaten or been out today, other than once I took him out gently (from under the moss), and put him near his food. Two minutes later, he was buried again. No cuttlefish, nothing. If he does survive it though - will I have to keep him in a shallow tank long term? And I assume he's not allowed company either in case they climb on him and pull at his shell? |
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Post by sonicsnail on Jul 13, 2006 16:46:51 GMT
I do hope he does ok. One of my fulica recently died from a mantle collapse, and his was soo bad. His mantle actually collapsed.. and shrunk sround his body.
Cooper's mantle is no where near as bad as what I have seen, so hopefully he will pull through. Sometimes they can heal themselves so, lets hope that will happen. Maybe he's not eating and moving about because he knows he can't afford to move about and eat? Of course this could be due to his mantle. so maybe he's just buring and going into a state of recovery?
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Post by LisaLQ on Jul 13, 2006 18:26:13 GMT
That's what I thought too, but I've just come in to find....  Would explain the overlapping mantle and burying all day! They look viable too (I'm looking through plastic though to be fair), but they're going to be frozen - got enough babies and fulicas Here's Cooper today, when he came out to swap to his new tank:  And his new tank layout - nothing interesting - I didnt add any decor as I thought it might be a problem if he got tangled?  If the tear doesn't repair, will it be suitable for him for life? I'd measure it if I could find the tape measure Oh and how long will he have to be kept in there before we know it's safe to put him back in a normal tank, if he recovers? Or rather, if he's going to recover, how long will it take til he's 100% again? |
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Post by LisaLQ on Jul 13, 2006 18:26:58 GMT
Ps. Sonicsnail - so sorry to hear that your snail passed away |
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Post by section8angel on Jul 13, 2006 18:50:46 GMT
That's why he didn't want to eat! Morning sickness! Rofl.
Maybe he'll eat a bit of something now and then stop and slow down again to repair?
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Post by LisaLQ on Jul 13, 2006 18:57:36 GMT
Yeah I hope so I'll put his favourite in. His favourite being...anything and everything ;D *lmao* |
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Post by luvfishies on Jul 14, 2006 3:45:23 GMT
Oh wow, congrats on the eggs! No wonder he was buried and sulky!
I wonder if meat protein would help with mantle repair? In addition to all the good veggies etc, of course.
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You just have to try and stop him putting strain on the mantle until it has time to heal. 
