Lots of New Snails *Pictures Added*

[Kevin]

Received around 15 new snails this morning, which are all descended from a mixed bunch from Paris. i'm told they are albopicta, stuhlmanii, smithii, panthera and fulica. A couple of them has very red/pink points to they're end of they're shell and would otherwise look like fulica, anyone know if fulica can have red/pink pointed shelltips? I'll get pictures up later, all are settling in at the moment.

[sezzy5889]

Wow good luck with them all :-)
I bet they cost you a lot didn't they ;D

[Paul]

The pink tipped ones sound like they could be albopicta.

[Kevin]

admin said:

The pink tipped ones sound like they could be albopicta.

I'll get pictures up soon, theres 14 at the moment with more arriving tommorow, i'll try to get a picture of each one, some of the red tipped ones I would think they were fulica if they had no red tip to they're shell. So fulica dont have red shelltips?

[Paul]

I've never heard of it. Check the columella, if it's red then its 99% not a fulica. Bequaert never came across a fulica with a pink columella though he accepted it was possible.

Fulica usually have a blueish-white columella.

[Annelie]

Albopicta?! Lucky you!
Now you better get babies to sell to me you know! ;D

[Paul]

Just checked albopicta and columella colour is white also so that doesn't help. It also says that the pink spire starts to show at 5-6 cm+. At first it is colourless.

I'm looking for what may positively ID it. So far all I can find is:

"Parietal wall with a distinct white callus"

Just read this:
'Parietal region – Basal surface of helicocone just within and just without aperture; the redundant expression “parietal wall” should not be used, for “parietal” signifies pertaining to wall.'

For those who want to know what the Parietal area is:

"In gastropods, referring to the basal area of a helically coiled shell, just inside and outside the aperture and above the columella"

and ..

"The portion of the body-whorl bordering the upper part of the aperture opposite the outer lip"

[anjieburdett]

Phebe on cybersnail has babies that she thinks are Albopicta and Smithii (sorry if these are spelt wrong) for sale.

Anjie,x.

[Annelie]

anjieburdett said:

Phebe on cybersnail has babies that she thinks are Albopicta and Smithii (sorry if these are spelt wrong) for sale.

Anjie,x.

*running away to cybersnail*

[Kevin]

anjieburdett said:

Phebe on cybersnail has babies that she thinks are Albopicta and Smithii (sorry if these are spelt wrong) for sale.

Anjie,x.

I got these snails from Phebe from cybersnail, Ive taken a picture of each one, my broadband connection isnt working though so Im on a temporary dialup one, I'll upload and post the pics as soon as my broadband's back on.

[Kevin]

Pictures of all the new snails

[Kevin]

The picture doesnt show it well, but the 5th snail in this post has a fairly bright red tip to his shell like the one in the first post of pictures.

[Kevin]

Anyone want to have a go identifying them?

[Deleted]

ok ok i'll have a go...(even tho ive never had an albopicta)

1 - fulica
2 - fulica
3 - albopicta
4 - fulica
5 - albopicta
6 - fulica
7 - fulica
8 - albopicta
9 - albopicta

the rest are fulica

thats what it looks like to me anyway...

[Kevin]

lotsofsnails said:

ok ok i'll have a go...(even tho ive never had an albopicta)

1 - fulica
2 - fulica
3 - albopicta
4 - fulica
5 - albopicta
6 - fulica
7 - fulica
8 - albopicta
9 - albopicta

the rest are fulica

thats what it looks like to me anyway...

Thanks

...though fulica with red shelltips?

[Deleted]

fulica are SOOOOOO variable i think its entirely possible. they cudnt be anything else (i dont think)

[Kevin]

lotsofsnails said:

fulica are SOOOOOO variable i think its entirely possible. they cudnt be anything else (i dont think)

Thats ok, i'd like to find out for sure though, if only one had the red shelltip i'd put it down to variation, but a few of the fulica-looking ones has it

[Paul]

In albopicta, the spire gets more red from 5cm+.

Also, albopicta tend to suffer more shell problems, strange malformed shapes etc. A few of yours have what I would consider an albopicta shape but they look like fulica in other ways. Time will tell I suppose.

Did you check the columella colour, if there is a hint of white-blue about it, they are probably fulica. It does seem plausible that you have some half-breeds.

[natrat84]

I agree with mike, all look like fulica and albopicta to me (using albopicta photo on species page)

Don't know about the red tips, fulica come in all varieties though. I have a pink tipped tiger and I'm told thats not the norm either, but theres no doubting hes a tiger

[Kevin]

admin said:

In albopicta, the spire gets more red from 5cm+.

Also, albopicta tend to suffer more shell problems, strange malformed shapes etc. A few of yours have what I would consider an albopicta shape but they look like fulica in other ways. Time will tell I suppose.

Did you check the columella colour, if there is a hint of white-blue about it, they are probably fulica. It does seem plausible that you have some half-breeds.

Its hard to see the columella colour when they are moving around (isnt it?) but the 10th anf 13th snail has a white-bluish columella, I think most of the others hasnt?

[Deleted]

u cud just pick up the snail and push back the mantle to see the columella? but carefully, mabe push it back with a cotton bud

[Kevin]

lotsofsnails said:

u cud just pick up the snail and push back the mantle to see the columella? but carefully, mabe push it back with a cotton bud

Will try that with some of them now.
...
Still awkward to see the columella on most of them, but I think a few of them, including the red tipped ones has a bluish columella, not sure though, I cant see any difference between the columella and shell on most of them.

[Deleted]

hay i just noticed my fulica rufescens have a red columella. its clear even though theyre so small...