KathyM
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Post by KathyM on Nov 17, 2005 14:18:47 GMT
Its true that there are not many baby tigers available,either in the UK or over here.But maybe since there have been quite a few rescued from Brixton market this will change next year... This is something that confuses me - and please forgive my ignorance - but if the adult wild caughts are dangerous to CB snails, then surely their offspring would be too? TBH I'm not sure what the actual risks of housing CBs and WCs together are though. ;D
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Post by sezzy5889 on Nov 17, 2005 15:02:51 GMT
If there is nothing wrong with the wild caught ones then obviously putting them in with cb ones isn't going to do anything, if the wc ones have parasites, as everyone knows parasites aren't genetic they are living creature that effect other creatures so a wc offspring would be healthy young even if the parents were infected with a parasite, unless you kept the babies in with the adult then they could catch something but otherwise they are healthy animals.
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KathyM
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Post by KathyM on Nov 17, 2005 15:07:50 GMT
But we know with other species of animal that parasites ARE passed on to their young in utero - is that not the case in egg laying animals or is it just snail babies that are immune?
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Post by sezzy5889 on Nov 17, 2005 15:16:26 GMT
But a parasite is a living creature that finds a body, enters it and lives of it, sometimes causing minor or major problems, it not genetic like some deseases or deformaties that are passed on through generations.
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KathyM
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Post by KathyM on Nov 17, 2005 15:19:16 GMT
I don't think you're understanding me. All parasites have to find new hosts and spread. They don't just live off the one specimen they "enter", they move on to pastures new and multiply - that's how they survive *lol*. No they're not genetic, but they can be "hereditary" in some animals as they are passed on from mother to young. THAT'S what I'm asking. Is it the same for snails? Maybe someone else can answer it for us?
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Post by sezzy5889 on Nov 17, 2005 15:25:59 GMT
Well when the snails lay eggs, most people remove the eggs from the tank and they hatch elsewhere away from the parents so they should be healthy, IF you left them in with the infected snail then they could catch the parasite.
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KathyM
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Post by KathyM on Nov 17, 2005 15:30:41 GMT
Argh Sarah - I'm asking if snails pass on parasites IN the eggs. I read somewhere today about someone cracking open an egg and finding parasites IN it.
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Post by sezzy5889 on Nov 17, 2005 16:01:17 GMT
I doubt it very much.
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Moracai
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Post by Moracai on Nov 17, 2005 17:10:52 GMT
They have arrived! Hopefully once thay settle in tonight and make an appearance out of thier shells we will be able to get some piccies of them.
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Post by sezzy5889 on Nov 17, 2005 17:39:10 GMT
congrats :-)
How big are they?
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Val
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Post by Val on Nov 17, 2005 18:15:08 GMT
I agree with sarah on this point, I think it would be very unlikely that the snail would pass a parasite IN the egg!!!
Val
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Post by section8angel on Nov 17, 2005 18:30:17 GMT
She made another thread about it. I've made some weird reply lol I bet no one understands Yay they arrived! Settle in snailies hurry up we want pics Lol
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Post by sonicsnail on Nov 17, 2005 19:00:35 GMT
We want pics!, we want pics!, we want pics! How big are they???
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LisaLQ
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Post by LisaLQ on Nov 17, 2005 19:05:46 GMT
I agree with sarah on this point, I think it would be very unlikely that the snail would pass a parasite IN the egg!!! Val I was with Kathy when she read that someone had opened a tiger egg and it had loads of parasites in it. Whether or not that was accurate isn't something I could say - but that was why Kathy asked. Sarah, I dont think you understood Kathy properly. Many internal parasites are passed on internally to the host's young. But in mammals that's via the blood stream or after the birth through the milk. Obviously snails dont do that, hence Kathy asking whether it was possible - is there anyone more experienced who could answer that one? But I still think it's possible that snails born and hatched in the same tank as their parents would most probably be carrying the same parasites as they were in close contact. Whether or not folks remove the eggs and keep them in a clean environment isn't something you could guarentee. But then again, unless you breed them yourself, all snail's coming in are a gamble I guess. But for me personally, the only way I could have tigers is if they were bred in captivity AND safe to go in with my other GALS. So chances are slim I'll find any, as it's evident there's a huge deal in "first come first served but only if you're my friend", which is a shame for folks like me who dont have any, when they're going to folks with a HUGE list of them *lol* How are us mere mortals supposed to find any?
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Moracai
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Post by Moracai on Nov 17, 2005 19:08:01 GMT
They are about 12 cm shell length. One has come out and is eating. Got the digital camera on charge and waiting for when number 2 comes out *grins*
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Post by natrat84 on Nov 17, 2005 19:16:06 GMT
Lisa If you had emailed before Gabi the chances are you would have got my tigers. I really did do it in the order the PMs came in. Tiger babys DO come up, just not often. Tiger babies were actually only my 3rd species I got, I was just about at the right time. Be patient and you will get them, just not as soon as you'd like. There are a lot of adult tigers around now so babies are going to become more common too. The babies will of course be babies of WC snails. But all of them were originally. Personally, I am confident that the babies of WC snails, if removed from parents before hatching will be the same as any CB snails. But I also have 2 WC adults and they are perfectly healthy and after a long quarintine period are now kept with my larger fulica. You will get some eventually Nat x
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Post by section8angel on Nov 17, 2005 19:23:45 GMT
That's the same with my Freddie (cept the quarantine wasn't what I'd call long lol). Anjie had had him for a number of weeks, so I thought it safe to put him in with my fulica. They've now been together for over a month and are all fine. Of course I worry about anything WC could have, but I've been wanting tigers since I started keeping snails so I'll take my chances lol. And there is no guarantee they will have anything bad. I'll quarantine the babies first of course, I have done with all the snails I've recieved even though they're CB (I think lol). I've only quarantined them for a week or so, but that's becuase they were growing quickly and I had to get them out of the holding tank and didn't have a bigger one spare lol so they had to go in with everyone else. I would have quarantined Freddie also, but again there wasn't a tank spare and as Anjie had said she hadn't noticed anything bad, I thought it was safe to put him straight in. Back to the tigers... lol. Hurry up camera! And hurry up other snail lol
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Post by LisaLQ on Nov 17, 2005 19:41:44 GMT
OOoh Nat I didn't mean anyone in particular! Sorry - I honestly didn't mean it like that. Besides it's me who's at fault with naff timing (ie missing opportunities because I'm doing something else if you get me), and having to stick near to paydays *lol*
I didn't mean to sound like a spoilt brat, and I did, so I'm sorry. *eek*
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Post by copigeon on Nov 17, 2005 20:05:50 GMT
I'd imagine parasites would not be transfered through egg, for the simple reason that a parasite that did... would kill the snail in the egg before it hatched? No infected juvenille... pointless practice for the parasite?
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Post by Paul on Nov 18, 2005 0:41:03 GMT
I asked a number of people about this and most parasites (eg. rat-lung worm) can't be passed from snail to egg. Like co-pigeon said, there are parasites that attack eggs but I've not heard of any penetrating an egg to infect a foetus. That's not to say they don't exist, but I think snail eggs are the end of 99% of pest risks, if they hatch away from the parents.
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Post by natrat84 on Nov 18, 2005 7:52:48 GMT
Nooo Lisa its ok lol. I was just letting you know that you WILL get them
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KathyM
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Post by KathyM on Nov 18, 2005 13:05:01 GMT
Hope you dont mind - have quoted parasite/risk replies into the other thread so as to answer on topic.
Congrats on the new snailies!
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Moracai
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Post by Moracai on Nov 18, 2005 23:45:36 GMT
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Post by sonicsnail on Nov 19, 2005 8:47:03 GMT
Yay pics at last! Is that all your snails, or just a selection with the two new tigers?
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Post by Moracai on Nov 19, 2005 10:14:13 GMT
Thats all of them having a meal of peas. The 2 tigers, moose and zippy, the 2 margies, deano and colin, and the 4 fulica, all named spike. (since I can't really tell them apart yet!)
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