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Post by apple on Nov 6, 2005 23:52:55 GMT
May I give dogs biscuits to my snails ? It doesn´t have too much salt? I only have to put some water to moist a bit the biscuits, or should I put the biscuits on a dish with water and wait to remove the salt content? Dog biscuits are very rich and nutritious and I have a lot, that´s why I´m interested in using it... And because I can´t eat it at all ;D I have to give the extra to someone or something. Thanks.
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Post by section8angel on Nov 7, 2005 0:04:33 GMT
I feed mine a few dog biscuits every month or so. I put them in dry, but with spraying the snails they do get a bit wet. I've read that wet or dry is fine though.
I have no idea about the contents in the ones I feed, but I haven't lost any snails from it yet. But I'll check before feeding them again.
Do you know how much salt the ones you want to use have? Or are you just guessing that they might have some in?
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Post by apple on Nov 7, 2005 0:22:16 GMT
I´m guessing that it have salt because after dogs eat it, they want to drink water. But, maybe it´s related to the fact that it´s dried food and not particularly with the salt content.... I´ve to check about the nutritional informations, that are written on the bag.~ Thanks.
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Post by section8angel on Nov 7, 2005 0:39:44 GMT
I've not noticed that to be honest lol but ours normally only have biscuits before we go out somewhere so I wouldn't see!
I'll have a look on the bag we use and see what it says.
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Post by KathyM on Nov 7, 2005 15:15:22 GMT
The salt content in dog and cat foods are especially high - it's to make it more palatable. Of course it's even worse in tinned dog/cat food. Gack.
The only dog foods I know that definitely don't add salt are NatureDiet and Nature's Menu, but they're both wet foods.
TBH after reading into what goes into pet food, I daren't risk it with my snails, the amount of cack they put in - cancer causing chemicals/preservatives etc. Grim.
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Post by sezzy5889 on Nov 7, 2005 15:22:14 GMT
Milk bones don't have salt in them
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Post by KathyM on Nov 7, 2005 15:29:31 GMT
What brand? Have you got a list of ingredients? The only ingredients I've found online have all said milk bones do contain salt.
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Post by sezzy5889 on Nov 7, 2005 15:38:30 GMT
well i don't know wether they are actually called milk bones, but they are small white bone shaped biscuits, lol
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Post by KathyM on Nov 7, 2005 15:40:46 GMT
It should say on the box if you already know the ingredients? *lol* If you're buying them loose in a bag, how do you know they have no salt in?
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Post by sezzy5889 on Nov 7, 2005 15:44:35 GMT
I don't have any at the moment, but i remember when i went to give the dog some i wondered if the snails could have them and checked for salt but didn't see anything stating this, my snails are ok after having them anyway.
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Post by apple on Nov 7, 2005 19:09:10 GMT
I already checked the ingredients list of my biscuits , and didn´t noticed any reference about salt though...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2005 19:48:36 GMT
mine are fine with dog biscuits and i doubt many dog biscuits have much salt in anyway...
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Post by sezzy5889 on Nov 7, 2005 19:52:23 GMT
Put it this way, if it's got salt in the snail won't eat it, because snails can taste with their foot and if they touch it and suddenly flinch or retract then they will move away and you know it's no good, but if they slime right up to it and start eating then it's ok,
they are not as stupid as they look, lol
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Post by Val on Nov 7, 2005 21:30:32 GMT
The salt content in dog and cat foods are especially high - it's to make it more palatable. Of course it's even worse in tinned dog/cat food. Gack. The only dog foods I know that definitely don't add salt are NatureDiet and Nature's Menu, but they're both wet foods. TBH after reading into what goes into pet food, I daren't risk it with my snails, the amount of cack they put in - cancer causing chemicals/preservatives etc. Grim. Yes, she is right!! We feed our dogs Naturediet, and even if the dog biscuits contain no salt for sure they have chemicals and preservatives in them. Val
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Post by section8angel on Nov 7, 2005 21:53:15 GMT
So how is it safe for the dogs to eat them then? How does it work?
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Post by apple on Nov 7, 2005 23:00:15 GMT
You should see the ingredients list of your biscuits. Any doubt just tell us.
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Post by section8angel on Nov 8, 2005 13:48:46 GMT
Looking at the ingredients doesn't tell me how they're safe for dogs with chemicals and preservatives in them though. And if your reply wasn't to me then ignore me rambling on! Lol. I did finally remember to check the ones we use, and guess what... I forgot we put them in a big tub now so the bag gets thrown away ROFL. Trust me to forget something that we've been doing for months and months!! I will look when we next goto the shop though haha. (I'll try and remember anyway! )
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Post by KathyM on Nov 8, 2005 14:23:23 GMT
So how is it safe for the dogs to eat them then? How does it work? Many dog foods AREN'T safe for dogs, that was my point. If the food says "EU permitted antioxidants/preservatives/colourants/etc" then you can guarantee that they contain BHT, BHA or ethoxyquin - all cancer causing chemicals that are by-products of the petro chemical industry that also cause other conditions. I personally won't feed any of my animals anything that isn't naturally preserved. Most dog biscuits DO contain salt - especially complete foods and filled/coated dog biscuits. How else can they persuade dogs to eat the basic and plain/boring ingredients? Edited to add: In ingredient lists, salt isn't necessarily listed as salt but as sodium too. To work out the salt content more accurately you also need to take into account the salt content of the various ingredients to be sure too. Cheese is high in salt, so are malty/yeasty products often added to dog biscuits.
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Post by section8angel on Nov 8, 2005 14:41:27 GMT
So how the hell do these foods get sold if they have all that %*^£ in them? They can be sued for that if someones dog gets something because of the £^&* in it surely?
I have no idea what's in the food we feed them but our dogs are fine and dandy lol. My labrador eats anything and everything so he's one that doesn't need persuading one bit! Lol.
Next time I see some biscuits I'll check for salt/sodium. I'd not actually thought about it before and as said my snails were fine after eating them. But I don't give them that often anyway. (The me feeding them every month or so is only if I remember anyway! lol)
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Post by KathyM on Nov 8, 2005 14:45:46 GMT
The pet food industry is basically a farce. Most commercial foods only contain the cr*p no human would eat (or feed to their pets if they knew it). The way they get around the preservatives lark is that they use less than the unsafe amount for humans, but seeing as they refuse to study the effects on companion animals, that's pointless. Cancer is so common in pets nowadays that owners tend to assume it's part and parcel of dog ownership, and the truth is you can minimise the risks. eg. by spaying female dogs early (before the first season literally stamps out the risk of mammary cancer which affects one in four bitches spayed later or not at all), weatching what you feed them etc. It's a big thing to me as we lost our boxer last year to mammary cancer and she lived a year longer than expected because we fed her the right diet, no cack, and took care of her. If only her previous owner had got her spayed
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Post by section8angel on Nov 8, 2005 14:51:54 GMT
Hmm why does that sound like typical stuff for people who only want money? And yeah I know about spaying etc. My mum was a vet nurse, so I've learnt a bit about those things from her. Annoying though isn't it when you think about it? People get that done to minimise the risk to their dog, but then the dog food goes and gives it to them anyway... I'm sorry about your boxer All our dogs get done asap as mum knows the risks. They keep on about humans checking themselves for cancer, why don't they start making people more aware to the risks of dog cancer too?
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Post by Val on Nov 8, 2005 17:40:19 GMT
Yes, everything Kathy has said is sadly true. After reading a lot about what rubbish goes into most dog foods -the word 'derivatives' covers a multitude of sins!!! we only feed Naturediet and a holistic dog meal called Natural Choice Wholebake. When we first started looking at dog foods and what they contained we were horrified at what we learned, the manufacturers do not have to list every single indgredient which means they can bulk the food up with anything they like, or anything they can persuade the pet owner to buy. With all this so called "good food" around you would imagine that dogs should be healthier than they have ever been but this is not so, the vets are full up!!! Dogs who are fortunate enough to avoid getting cancer often have joint problems, digestive problems, bad scurfy coat problems.........the list is endless, and most of these things are directly attributed to the food they are eating. A vet will be happy to treat the outcome without even asking about the root cause, why would they? they are making a fortune.
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Post by KathyM on Nov 8, 2005 17:57:52 GMT
I give my dog Autarky - completely natural food without the price tag of some of the bigger brands! *lol*
They use rosemary as a preservative, and vitamin E, and no other additives or colourings - even the chicken is human grade. The only thing that would make it better would be if the chicken was organic.
Oh yes, and if my dog would eat it...every dog I've known has loved Autarky, and she used to but has gone all fussy since her dad let her have some gravy on it. *rolls eyes and whinges about typical males*
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Post by LisaLQ on Nov 8, 2005 17:58:53 GMT
For once that was my fault, that above message was me, I'd logged into her account to check her pms for her! *eek*
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Post by section8angel on Nov 8, 2005 18:00:03 GMT
Mums female shepherd sadly already has joint problems. She's always been smaller and slimmer than she should be, but that's because she wouldn't eat properly as a puppy. She got ill very young and wouldn't eat right. There's no stopping her now though rofl.
We've obviously picked a half decent foods though 'cause our other dogs have lived normal lives and only normally had problems at the end, and most were problems that their breed regularly got. They've all had different foods over the years anyway so we can't pick one specific one to look at and/or blame lol.
We now use one with skin calming stuff in. It's the only decently priced one that keeps our dogs scratching under control. (Apparently they have a reaction to grass.. hmmm) But anyway, this one has stopped it. We have tried others but this is the only one that's worked properly. And with 2 german shepherds and a labrador to feed, price does have to play a big part in choosing.
Thankfully our vet is honest. The place was taken over by abivale and is expensive as hell, but the vet is still good! Lol.
I'll check the food we use later. I know it has a lot of natural things in because of helping the skin and coat.
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