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Post by Parkdufa on Sept 25, 2005 13:40:31 GMT
 Here is one of them  I think it was this who layed the eggs  "Mr" beautiful ;D  Tiny ;D |
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Post by Paul on Sept 25, 2005 13:47:20 GMT
Picture number 3 really looks like a stuhlmanni to me. What colour is the columella?
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Post by Parkdufa on Sept 25, 2005 13:49:46 GMT
columella?? What is that?
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Post by Paul on Sept 25, 2005 13:52:38 GMT
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Post by Parkdufa on Sept 25, 2005 14:01:03 GMT
Its purple on the one i looked at, i didnt want to scratch on it to much so i saw just the top of the columella..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2005 14:07:24 GMT
if its purple then its probably panthera ;D
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Post by Paul on Sept 25, 2005 14:09:31 GMT
They're not fulica then.
So, that leaves you with stuhlmanni & panthera. I don't think they're immaculata but it is possible. They're too big for smithii.
That picture showing the slender shelled one really looks like stuhlmanni, but they only grow to 10cm (shell) so I'm not sure if yours are bigger, and a few pics make the shell look fatter than I would expect. Could they be stuhlmanni/panthera crossbreeds. We know this combination exists and it would explain the look of them.
I would say panthera, stuhlmanni or a crossbreed with me leaning to stuhlmanni but if that proves to be wrong coz they keep growing then they could be crossbreeds. They just look far too pointy to be pure panthera.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2005 14:11:29 GMT
but stuhlmanni has really pale skin? and a sorta bluey-white columella.
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Post by Paul on Sept 25, 2005 14:12:35 GMT
 Stuhlmanni have a bright pink columella |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2005 14:18:40 GMT
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Post by Paul on Sept 25, 2005 14:20:02 GMT
but stuhlmanni has really pale skin? Skin colour isn't much help in IDing species as there is so much variation. People were surprised to see pale fulica but they're common. We have pale tigers even and we've seen that picture of what could be a dimidiata with black skin. Besides which the skin colour does look like my stuhlmanni. I checked the stuhlmanni columella colour thing, some pics on the net (including my site) show shells with a white columella, but everyone's who keeps them have pink columellas. |
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Post by Paul on Sept 25, 2005 14:21:57 GMT
I'll try and take a picture for you to show you.
Also as far as colour goes it depends on the camera, lighting and what monitor setting you have. If they look orange it is because the saturation on the picture is very high.
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Post by Paul on Sept 25, 2005 14:23:03 GMT
Raphael got some of my stuhlmanni's siblings from Fredrik, he seemed happy with them as far as I know.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2005 14:23:45 GMT
yeh but i think Blair's snail has a shell thats too ventricose to be stuhlmanni, look at the second picture. stuhlmanni always has a slender shell.
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Post by Paul on Sept 25, 2005 14:33:01 GMT
Well, I thought that, that is why I said it could be a cross breed. However look at: www.petsnails.co.uk/index.php?action=gallery&species=27They're are more ventricose ones. Conversely, they have a very sharp apex which is very unpanthera like. Anyway, here are the pics of the stuhlmanni columella:   |
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Post by Paul on Sept 25, 2005 14:34:27 GMT
The 2nd and 3rd picture are taken with the body whorl closer to the camera, so that obviously makes them look less slender. The only picture that is taken parallel to the snail is number 3 and it looks the typical stuhlmanni shape.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2005 14:49:09 GMT
stuhlmanni has a taller spire...
and i dont quite understand what you mean about the apex.
to me the shell shape is exactly like panthera.
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Post by Paul on Sept 25, 2005 14:58:33 GMT
Well, panthera have a more rounded spire than most similar sized snails, it is one of the identification points. In fact panthera look very stunted as babies, very rounded. As they get bigger this becomes less apparent.  As for your comment about stuhlmanni having a taller spire. Look at Birte's picture that I posted and Blairs, they are the same, the body whorl is about 1.5-1.8x the length of the spire so I don't know what you're driving at. Personally, I don't think they look anything like panthera, particularly pic 3. |
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Post by Parkdufa on Sept 25, 2005 14:59:44 GMT
Well, I thought that, that is why I said it could be a cross breed. However look at: www.petsnails.co.uk/index.php?action=gallery&species=27They're are more ventricose ones. Conversely, they have a very sharp apex which is very unpanthera like. Anyway, here are the pics of the stuhlmanni columella: A bit darker purple color have mine.... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2005 15:02:10 GMT
fine just say its a mischlinge i cant think of enough clever words to argue with you  |
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Post by Paul on Sept 25, 2005 15:04:54 GMT
I know Mike, it is frustrating arguing over ID. I mean, how do I even know that my stuhlmanni are bonafide stuhlmanni? I'm just chasing my ID like a fox chasing a squirrel, I'm trying to tree it |
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