selling snail eggs

[morgan]

You have done this to me to try and make yourself look better but it has back fired
Stop trying to drag peoples name through the muck might be a good start. Who will be next?

Thank god there is people on here that are willing to help honest people clear their names. Thanks to the person who pointed this post out to me and thanks to ness for helping clear my name. I am an honest snail keeper who rehomes my babies and for your information to what you put earlier about i have bought alot recently I would love to know where you get your ideas from I have bought a few new species yes but the last snails i bought on ebay were on the 6th june.
It wouldn't surprise me if you haven't sold any snails in the last week or 2 because people wont sell to you any more.
That is all i will say on the matter as i have cleared my name and i don't need the hassle any more.

[rosanna123]

all i was doing was pointing out the facts and how my name was dragged down, because i made a mistake and now no one will sell to me even thought, i am being truthful, i have done all i can to explain what i had done and what i am now doing, but oh well mite as well as give up,

SORRY TO EVERYONE WHO WAS INTRESTED IN MY BOOK BUT I WILL NOW NOT BE WRITING IT AS I CAN NOT AFFORD TO IMPORT THE SNAILS THAT I NEED FOR IT AND NO ONE WILL SELL ME ANY AS I MADE A MISTAKE AND SO I CAN NOT WRITE IT

i thought all this had been sorted and that i could carry on buying the snails i need FOR MY BOOK but obvisoly not, oh well back to life

[rosanna123]

sorry everyone but i am getting really upset by all this, yes i made a mistake, yes i have learned my lesson, but if i was buyin to sell on would i really buy 2 adult jades that cost me £32 with p&p (which turned out to be retics) and 8 tiger snails various sizes for £125 with p&p, i dont think so, (dont belive me then check my ebay feedback)

MORGAN: i wouldnt have tried buying from you if you had told me that you had banned me from buying from you, but you didnt you said that you had changed the setting and some how that had stopped me bidding, if you had been truthful then i wouldnt have bothered, on perloved you told me that you had ordered over £1000 worth on snails and that you would see what condition they were in and then let me know if you would be selling some of your adults, if you didnt want me to buy from you then why not just say, instead of make excusies, if you dont want me to buy from you then just tell me if it fine.

[ness]

Rosanna please you're making things worse, there is so much I could say in reply to this and you really wouldn't want that. You make it sound like it was one little thing you did in your past, that people are being mean and uncharitable towards you over some minor misunderstanding............ people have not blocked you over one incident, and it's all still very fresh. There is plenty that I have not mentioned Rosanna. Don't make us out to be bullies here.

[rosanna123]

but you are the only snails that i brought and then sold on were a couple of jadatzis (i had them for 2 weeks before selling and so they were with me approx for a month), as i have said before, the rest that i was selling i had bread apart from the fulicas which i had been given by a friend who was over run

[ness]

Yes you've said it before, you have claimed this on numerous occasions.
Rosanna shall I come out with everything or shall we just leave it here? Why don't you sleep on it and decide after some thought? If you really want me to paste it all down on here I shall, and you won't like it.... so please Rosanna take a break and have a think.

We had the good grace not to cause you any trouble on here. It's a shame you didn't show the same sort of grace towards SticksAndSnails, and she didn't even deserve your comments. We were leaving you alone, it's you who opened the can of worms here on this thread, and surely you couldn't expect SticksAndsnails to stand back and watch the slander? Something had to be said really, not much of a choice i don't think. And these incidents dragged on before didn't they. One thing after another. Do you want this to happen here too?

[rosanna123]

hang on can you please tell me who i have brought snails off and then sold because as far as i know it is only snailcrazy, i was gonna buy off welsh but she said when and told me about being blacklisted and i was gonna buy from ryan but he set me up he told my that he would sell them to me cheaper if i was gonna sell on so i said yes thinking that i was gonna get the snails i wanted FOR MY OWN COLLECTION cheaper,
so please just tell me who i was ment to have brought off

[ness]

Right am I going to have to trawl through everything that happened over the last month or so, emails, posts and all, not as simple as just saying this person and that person, it all got so blooming complicated. Shall I do that tomorrow then? I'm sure as heck not doing this at this hour.

[rosanna123]

that is fine, because the only person i have brought from and sold on is snailcrazy, and that was only 2 of the 6 jadatzis she sold me, i still have 4 sitting here and i will post pictures of them in the morn if you want as i have to take pictures of some of my other snails for people as well, i assure you i am telling the truth, and i will do all i can to prove it..........

[ness]

OK. It will take a while to trawl through it all and put the info in a cohesive post. Plus I need to ask really if other people want to be dragged into this, else I'll have to call them 'x' and 'y' etc! OK......

[morgan]

I did place a big order yes and i have given ness the name of the person and place i ordered from so that she can check if she wants to.

You can use my name ness and snailcrazy has just been dragged into it which is out of order as she isn't here to have her say.

You bought from another seller as well and sold them on I wont mention their name as they are not here to have their say on the matter the margies should give you a big enough clue

You are bang out of order rosanna using other peoples names, to start with yes i had changed the setting and i had a number of emails from people trying to bid but couldnt so i changed them back but the way you worded your emails was another reason i blocked you along with the fact i didn't want my BABY snails put at risk of being passed from home to home.

You need to start thinking about what you are saying I have a feeling this might get a bit messy and its all your own doing.

Oh and you are getting upset poor you i have had my name bought down to your level how do you think i feel I am an honest seller that is rehoming babies that i breed myself by rights i make no money as what comes in from the sales pays for their upkeep because of your lies today i came very close to closing all of my accounts on the different forums but then you would have won.

I will stick to the forum that i trust with people i trust I never thought i would chat to so many nice people as i have on there.

[jacky230766]

thank you rosanna for your email,i will gladly help you with your book and i will let you know where i get/got most of my snails from,they have had some great contacts themselves in getting species that you are asking for,i might just buy some of your tiger worms,i might just put them in with little dude and big dude,

I have been given proof from rosanna that the snails you are all ranting about did infact stay with her approx 4 weeks from being bought to being sold on,and that she also was given a load of miss cared for snails,of which she did what she could for them and then rehomed them,i have seen her new tigers that she has just bought they are stunning and she paid alot of money for them,i have age on my side and wisdom and think that this situation has been blown out of all proportion(never could spell that word lol) when you sell on ebay no one makes you pay over the odds people will only bid on what they decide to bid on,so if rosanna got more than she bought the snails for she didn't hold anyone to ransome over the price,the tigers that rosanna has just paid a large amount for were priced and rosanna thought the price okay so bid and won and bought does this make the seller bad as she got well over what they were worth (in some peoples eyes,nobody mentioned just example),i used to deal in horses and ponies i can away from livery yards because of this type of bickering,i can totally understand the truth aspect of which rosanna as fully owned up to in her wrong doing,but having spoken to her buy email i feel she is a caring snail owner and wouldn't harm one,you may be miffed by my defending her,but come on people get over it it's in the past the girls learned her lesson,she has now found her way,let her do it,she can then grow and work hard on her book and it's gonna take time,years infact all of which she is fully awhere of don't knock it everybody has to start somewhere and this girls got back on track and is moving foreward as we all should,so i would think we can draw a close to this and start to enjoy the site ,you never know how many other would be members this might've lost the site so come on finish this here and now ,

[ness]

Wise words indeed Jackie and i mean that with sincerity.. I agree that people do buy and sell. I also believe that the Tigers will be much loved pets and will be well cared for by Rosanna. There is so much that has gone on though that you are not aware of Jackie, and i think you may be surprised if you knew. I will happily let this drop if Rosanna will.
It would have stayed buried under the carpet had she not tried to drag another down.

We all make mistakes, goodness me I have made mistakes. A person who never makes a mistake is a person who never does anything at all!!!!! really - there's alot more to this than meets the eye. If i were to PM you with the goings on you would see the two sides, but that would not be right really. But in saying that I do hope however that she hasn't PMd you with things that make others look bad, as this really is not the whole story I can assue you.

I'm glad you haven't left Jackie, I would hate for this to put you off.

It would be good to let it drop, but please may I ask for Rosanna not to insinuate things about anyone else in the way she did. It was clearly personal from Rosanna that was, and done for dubious reasons, knowing what's gone on, although i do understand Jackie if you don't agree with that assessment......

Of course we all voice concerns from time to time and why should rosanna not be allowed to do the same? But let it be for genuine reasons, eh? And if she wants things to drop then please, she should not go digging up trouble. I hope that sounds fair and reasonable.

Things have been cracking off until very recently actually. VERY recently, so forgive me for not thinking she has now put on the honesty hat. What I'm trying to say is that trust is earned, and that will take time in this case.

However I think it would be nice to see her become a valued and happy member of the snail community (yes i am being truthful, even though I've felt very annoyed about the things that just keep on coming to light again and again, and have been angry at the way she's treated sticksandsnails), I ask that she does her part in not trying to drag anyone else down, or make up more stories, and I'll be doing my part in leaving things rest unless more stuff cracks off. I think it's best if we all leave each other alone and best if she ceases to contact us, and then that will allow us to leave her alone too as we won't feel the need to respond!

I hope you don't have a negative impression on anyone involved in this. I understand too that you can only judge what you see and perceive, and therefore understand if you think we have been harsh or picky, or have mis-understood her, but please note you don't have the full picture. Hope that doesn't sound patronising - it's not meant to!


Jackie, I would recon that you'd be a good mediator. Hope you don't need to be though! Things like this rarely crack off though so I hope you enjoy being part of the forum

[jacky230766]

the only thing i can't agree about even though rosanna said she'd send the message and thats about the shop (pinch of salt,open mind thing) i did look at the feed back myself and had thought what a lot of selling and buying of snails okay i did'nt look closely at the details just the buying selling and dates so probably wrong on my part but there was a lot of feed back to go over,and if i'd done detailed would've been a while and yes should've but did'nt and yes would've probably thought different if i had,so that part of rosanna's reply i kinda understood,there is always two sides to every story and both parties always believe that they are right ,some even try to get people on there side by giving as many people they know there side etc etc,eventually you end up with what we had on this thread,i understand that the person involved in selling the eggs was up set ,but how does she know that everyone she sells to are gonna care for the snails ,she don't,i've had this in the past with the selling of horse/pony's thats why i came out of it,you think you'd done right by selling what seems a great home a horse/pony and then find out that they infact treated them badly only two years ago i fought with the rspca and world horse welfare to take a horse that i'd sold 3 years before,he was now old blind and very neglected,he was a sorry sight the own never came near or by from one day to the next winter came and went how he lived through those conditions i don't know with no protection at all and snow and ice no feed,finally ted barnes WONDERFUL MAN came and took the situation on and it was decided to put the horse down,i was upset but yes agreed he needed it,this is what you must face as a seller of any animal,i can understand both sides but feel personnaly that it was more bullying than having your say and dropping,which is what i would've done two wrongs don't make a right and i feel personnally that rosanna wants to move on she knows what she did,and she is now going foreward as i said,but to keep an arguement going is wrong on all sides the damage to all said parties has been done including the site which again is very unfair if you wanna argue like you have then pm's the best way to go,if you want others to see your message then pm it to them also it keeps it away from the eyes of and possible newbie members,

[coyote]

Seeing as this thread has gone off the rails, let's put it on ice for a while, pending mod discussion.

[Paul]

Ok, I promised to post publicly regarding this situation. I have tried to make sense of what has transpired...

As far as I can determine, the argument was a continuation of a previous one and one that has been ongoing on other forums. The problem with disputes is that it's impossible to know what really went on and exactly who was at fault etc. etc.

As moderators we have to try and keep the peace, and my post on the previous thread attempted to calm things down by basically saying everyone's had their say so let's leave it at that - it's up to individuals to make judgments as to whether they wish to buy from or sell to someone. Complaints and rebuttals were made - there's no value in continuing.

The real issue this time is that Rosanna123 decided to accuse somebody of something she herself has been accused of. To me, that is either the height of naivety or simply agitating.

We also have to look at the reputations of the people involved. I personally haven't been here much but I've looked through posting histories and spoke to the other mods. In light of these circumstances, I've warned Rosanna123 not to continue down the path she seemed to be treading and that essentially she is skating on thin ice. I don't wish to ban anyone but I won't have the forum destroyed by repeat offenders, unfortunately even if that means not always making accurate judgements. The last thing I want to do is to create an atmosphere where people think cliques exist and certain characters get favoured over others. Let me be clear, all the members are valued but essentially anonymous to me - I have to try and make the forum work well for the majority of people.

It's a judgement call on my behalf, however - I can't know for sure she isn't the injured party in all of this and that the misjudged post wasn't the result of anger. For that reason, I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt this time.

I don't want to restrict what can be said or create ludicrous rules that can't be lived up to. I understand when someone is aggrieved they wish to vent or to simply warn people. And I also understand that there are two sides, and that no-one could be expected not to defend themselves. What I ask is that you take a deep breath and use your head before posting. From an outside perspective, it doesn't help your reputation if you are constantly bickering and since most disputes arise from trading snails it's better to say your piece and let the common sense of others prevail. There can definitely be a case of "The lady doth protest too much, methinks". If we see someone always involved in disputes, alarm bells start ringing. However, when it's out of character for someone to say something, it carries more weight.

So, where are we now. Rosanna123 has been given the benefit of the doubt. People have had their chance to complain and she's had a chance to defend herself. Let's move on... I'd like to end on some positive notes. Thanks to the moderators for keeping things running smoothly, it's not an easy job and I don't have lot's of time so it's a huge help to me. It's appreciated more than they know.

Lastly, this forum was created to have a friendly discussion about our mutual hobby, from simply sharing our affection for these wonderful creatures to furthering our knowledge of them and making various species more widely available. Most of the time, things move along in that spirit. Let's keep that up and not let these hiccups get us down!

Have a great weekend everybody!