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Post by jacky230766 on Jun 29, 2010 21:20:12 GMT
i was always lead to believe that sending snail eggs thru the post was deadly for the unborn snails , i just noticed that some are being sold on ebay,am i wrong in my thinking,
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aerliss
Achatina immaculata
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Post by aerliss on Jun 29, 2010 21:38:16 GMT
Probably wouldn't do much for their health, but they might have been selling as food. Did the listing say they were living?
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Post by jacky230766 on Jun 29, 2010 21:43:31 GMT
they are selling rodatzi babies aswell this person sells alot the feed back seems to susggest that the seller sells as pets,
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Post by rosanna123 on Jun 29, 2010 22:05:02 GMT
i have seen this seller, they have told me that they have a shop where they sell their snails as well as on ebay, but in their auctions, they make you think that they are their pets and that they dont want to sell them. i have also noticed that they buy alot of snails aswell
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fluffy
Archachatina marginata
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Post by fluffy on Jun 30, 2010 6:46:19 GMT
Some eggs can easily be sent by mail (all sorts of fulica) others won't survive the trip as they shouldn't be moved at all.
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Post by ness on Jul 1, 2010 6:57:59 GMT
i have seen this seller, they have told me that they have a shop where they sell their snails as well as on ebay, but in their auctions, they make you think that they are their pets and that they dont want to sell them. i have also noticed that they buy alot of snails aswell I have held my tongue for quite some time over you on this forum Rosanna, as I haven't been wanting to give the mods here a headache over you, but your own reputation is appalling and I find your words very rich, as it is you who buys buys buys from anywhere and everywhere leading people to believe you want them as pets, only for folk to find their snails up on eBay within a week. How dare you insinuate something is amiss with another seller when you are worse!!!!!! I have refrained from commenting on your posts Rosanna but you are inviting trouble by insinuating things about other sellers. Did you think you could smear another seller with something YOU do and have everyone else sit back and not say a word? There are MANY people on this forum who know of you who are politely holding their tongues out of respect for the moderators here but you've pushed it too far. I STILL don't want to cause an argument on here but just can't let this other person be unfairly treated by you. I find myself cringing at the thoughts of holding my tongue while the WRONG seller gets a public slating. Several of your posts have appeared as if you are inviting argument from those of us who know you better, it's as if you are deliberately trying to cause an argument here, and we've refused to take the bate - until now, and it's only because another GENUINE seller's reputation is now at stake. As for the seller in question, if it is who I think it is (and I'm fairly sure it is as her's is the only auction on eBay fitting the description) - I have only heard good about her. Yes she keeps snails as pets, yes she sells some snails that she breeds, no you wouldn't find snails that are sold to her up for sale else-where. As for sending eggs it had always been my belief too about many but not all eggs. Recently I got surprised about a species - Tigers. I had always thought their eggs shouldn't be moved but have recently heard from two people who had received tiger eggs in the post and they had a high hatch rate. I was amazed but pleased that I had been wrong. I've not tried this myself, but trust the people who had this experience. Fulica eggs can be moved, and P.isabella. A.marginata shouldn't be moved, and I believe it's risky to move A.reticulata eggs. I don't have data on other species with regards this.
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Post by rosanna123 on Jul 1, 2010 7:14:22 GMT
have you seen me selling any snails, lately NO, i AM buying for my own pets, HERE IS THE TRUTH yes i did start off buying to sell, but then thought againest it, so now i buy for my self and NOT to sell, if you do not belive me about this seller then i shall send you all the proof you need, i have messages from her on perloved telling me she has a shop, and if you look at her feed back on ebay, you will see just how many snails she is buying and selling, so i would like it if you got your facts straight first, before going off on 1 about me, the reason i mentioned this seller is because she was one of the people going off one one about me on supersnails (from your reaction i guess your a member) even thought she is doing the same thing i WAS. well i know have better things to think about, like my book that i am writing, which is one of the reasons my collection of snails are growing.
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Post by ness on Jul 1, 2010 7:27:31 GMT
I will humbly and GENUINELY apologise to the people of PetSnails if I am wrong about this seller. Seriously I will. Do you have proof that she buys to sell on, or is it that she is simply breeding the snails?
It was all of the cover-ups, denials and blatent lies that you spun about your activities that really annoyed us, it's now hard to trust a word you say.
And one of your recent attempt was only a few weeks ago.
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Post by rosanna123 on Jul 1, 2010 7:37:30 GMT
what did i try and sell a couple of weeks ago, if you look at this seller feedback on ebay then you will see just how many snails she has brought and sold, i could also e-mail proof that she has told me she has a shop on preloved, so i could send you them if you like
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Post by ness on Jul 1, 2010 7:43:49 GMT
I'll be back in touch later. Got to dash.....
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Post by ness on Jul 1, 2010 12:06:01 GMT
I've looked through all of her eBay feedback pages. All of the snails sold are young. There is no evidence at all of her buying to sell on, not on ebay anyhow. She is breeding the snails and selling the young. .......
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morgan
Achatina fulica
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Post by morgan on Jul 1, 2010 12:28:04 GMT
Rosanna do you not like the fact i have blocked you from buying from me because you got caught buying to sell on at the risk of death to the snail. I have bought and sold many eggs of a number of species with no ill effects to the eggs/ baby snails. the tiger eggs i sold recently had a 100% hatch rate. All of my snails are pets people need to get the facts right before slandering someone who is honest and cares about their pets. The snails i sell on are all the offspring of my snails. What is the problem with that?
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Post by ness on Jul 1, 2010 12:53:16 GMT
Having looked on Preloved and ebay I cannot find any suggestion that there's any wrong-doing. All of the snails are indeed youngsters. I see no issue at all with this seller.
In reply to your earlier question Rosanna you enquired about someone's snails recently, stating, when asked, that you keep some and also sell some on. Actually this time to your credit as you did give a truthful answer. Also someone else almost bought from you recently and backed out, so why are you saying you haven't sold for a while?
Nice to see now, after denying it for so long, that you are now admitting on this thread some of what you were up to. Well I hope you do have a fresh start as you state, in some genuine and honest research, but it's a little off for you to be digging your claws into somone without getting your facts straight, and it's someone you've been trying to buy from recently. I would have thought that if you genuinely believed this seller was dodgy you wouldn't keep trying to buy from her!!
And what else were you saying recently Rosanna? That it's a good thing that there isn't a feedback section here as innocent folk get slandered. Well I knew what you were trying to do and held my tongue, but my point is you have just tried to give an innocent person a bad reputation, ironic!
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morgan
Achatina fulica
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Post by morgan on Jul 1, 2010 13:01:28 GMT
Thanks for you support ness, I hope the evidence i have provided is enough to clear my name.
If you need any more please feel free to PM me and i will happily provide it for you.
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Post by rosanna123 on Jul 1, 2010 15:01:21 GMT
yes i have admitted that i was buying and selling some of them but how was i putting the snails health at risk but waiting 3-4 weeks before reselling them, i am now going into breeding and writing my book (on land snail care) so what is the problem with that, all i was doing is pointing out that morgan (stixandsnailsyork) buys ans sells alot of snails. she has also told me on preloved that she has a shop where she also sells her snails, so what was i ment to think as the only evedence you lot on supersnails had of me buying to sell on was that i put, a couple on jadatzis on there that i had brought 2 weeks before, once they had been sold they would have been with me almost a month, as i have said before near on all the rest of the snails i had on ebay i had bread, i was trying to buy from morgan as she had some species that i was hoping to buy.
so what do you lot want me to do, stop writing my book and sell all of my snails just to keep you lot happy, just cos i made 1 little mistake, so come what do you want me to do
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Post by ness on Jul 1, 2010 15:20:24 GMT
You're fanning the flames Rosanna - do you want me to publically provide evidence against you, actions, blatent lies and all? It could be done if that is your wish........
as for SticksAndSnails I assume you are suggesting that you didn't look into the facts before insinuating? that it was a genuine mistaken assumption and not a vendetta against someone who keeps blocking you and has given bad feedback about your activities? is that what you're saying? As for the shop, well i can't proove that either way and I would be interested to see the email/PM with that, not that it actually makes a differrence, but what I do know is that she has bought adults and still has them, and can provide photos of them, and is breeding from them. There's a pattern with SticksAndSnails, she's purchased adults of a species, she then, after a period of time, sells babies from the same species, not adults. Shop or no shop there was never a problem with her.
What i would suggest is that you just come clean in the future.
lots of us buy, and lots of us sell. People tend to take offence to seeing their snails go to what they think is a loving home only to see them up for sale soon after. there are exceptions, people's circumstances change etc etc, no problem. But with you it was one story after another after another, contradictions, lies.... need i go on? he evidence against you is stacked up actually, not tenuous as you suggest...... Seriously therre is so much that has gone on that I've not written about on this thread.
A fresh start sounds like a good plan, just be honest about why you are buying, and honest about why you are selling, and people will choose whether or not to sell/buy the snails.
I personally think it would be sad for your daughter if you sold them all just because you've upset alot of people, and i don't necessarily think you should disappear from everywhere as it's always useful to be able to be in touch with snail advice etc should you need it. just please stop playing games with us.
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Post by rosanna123 on Jul 1, 2010 15:26:01 GMT
i am not playing games i AM telling the truth, if people ask if i will be selling their snails i will tell them, but as of the moment i am not selling anything other than TIGER WORM FOR TANKS and that is it when my book has been written i may them sell some and only keep the ones that i want, but this will not be for a couple of years, their may be the odd one now and then on ebay where i have got too many by accident other than that there will only be babies that i have bread,
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Post by ness on Jul 1, 2010 15:34:23 GMT
Well that's all cool then isn't it?
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Post by jacky230766 on Jul 1, 2010 15:37:09 GMT
i put a simple question on here and get a load of private arguements back,at the end of the day we are here to buy and sell no one would own snails other wise, i only see (from my point of view with what i've read) that people sell snails and buy snails but don't like it when a new comer pops up and does the same ,i've owned snails for years and only had local pet shop keepers as information i came across this site via the web ,i don't wish to see petty bickering it brings a good site down and can prevent it from doing what it was designed for,to enjoy our snails,if this is what this site is about then i'm no longer gonna bother with it and will not be recommending to other friends ,you all seem to have your own agendas and that is preventing others from enjoying the site if you have nothing better to do then go lean over agarden fence gossip can be gotten easier that way,
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Post by ness on Jul 1, 2010 15:44:38 GMT
Well that's why I held my tongue about Rosanna in the first place. Part of the reason anyway. the other was to not give anyone any headaches. it has nothing to do with newcomers in selling/buying, but dodgy dealings, and if Rosanna hadn't tried to insinuate things about a genuine seller which could have resulted in this seller getting a bad reputation i wouldn't have opened my mouth. Perhaps I should have defended SticksAndSnails without mentioning anything about Rosanna, but she's inviting arguments with provocative comments. I'm not sure what she was expecting to happen when she knows that many people know what she's like..... perhaps I should have kept shut and never mention her dodgy dealings no matter what she says? Until today I've just gritted my teeth and let her comments go. Would that be the right thing to do? Possibly and possibly not. Sorry you have this negative impression of the snail community now, it's usually not like this, and to their credit the mods on all forums do their best to prevent arguments. Out of the hundreds of lovely people it really is just a few that cause issues, and that's few and far between, please bear with PetSnails, it really isn't like this the vast majority of the time! as for petty bickering it becomes less petty when people feel they are being swindled, conned and/or lied to. I agree this shouldn't happen on a forum, and honestly it generally doesn't, but can you expect people to not respond and to let it carry on when it does happen? Should other people have to suffer because they were not aware of a person's misdealings before it's too late? Should we just hold our tongues for ever and let it carry on? At the end of the day Jackie if no-one ever said anything about people's misdealings then more people would to end up getting conned etc, especially new folk such as yourself. (not new to snail-keeping but new to forums I mean). sorry you think we're a bunch of gossips and trouble-makers, but if you stick around you'll see that's far from the truth, and it would be a shame to turn away the help and friendship of hundreds of lovely snail-folk just because of one relatively rare incident. sorry your thread got hi-jacked. There are answers to your question in amongst the first posts.....
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Post by welshlassy on Jul 1, 2010 15:45:08 GMT
I find it really Patronising that you are writing a book after you brought snails to sell on at profit which you now admit after saying repeatedly that that wasn't the case. There are people on these forums which a great knowledge of keeping different species and lets face it you've not kept a lot of them hence why you where asking for other peoples pictures which I think it in self is just cheeky! Maybe you should try keeping as many species as you can talk to a lot of people and get hands on before you think of writing a book. At least then you will know what your talking about. Anyway I think its best now If I walk away and don't ad to this discussion as I don't want to say something I regret.
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Post by rosanna123 on Jul 1, 2010 15:52:51 GMT
this is why i am buy snails at the mo, so i can add my own experiences into it, at the mo i am writting about the ones i do have knolege of,
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morgan
Achatina fulica
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Post by morgan on Jul 1, 2010 17:06:31 GMT
Well said ness i have used forums for a while and have never had this before. Would you buy from a seller thet you knew was putting a dog/cat/hamster/snakes life at risk? I'm sure the answer would be no well buy buying snails to sell straight on wilh alot of species this is what will happen they will die. Well said welsh
Would you just sit by and let your name and reputation get dragged down to the same level as some one who has been proved to buy snails to sell them straight on putting their life at risk.
If i was such a bad seller why was this person trying to buy snails from me a week ago this has only come about since i blocked her from buying my snails to put their lifes at risk.
Jackie I am sorry this got out of hand on your post about my eggs that are listed. It is fine to post this species eggs.
The book will be great i am sure When will it be published i might have to buy a copy. lol
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morgan
Achatina fulica
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Post by morgan on Jul 1, 2010 17:27:39 GMT
sorry about the buy that should have been by I am so mad about all of this.
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Post by rosanna123 on Jul 1, 2010 19:42:28 GMT
as i have said i did not buy and sell on straight away, i was keeping them for about a month first, i want this sorted, as i have said it was a mistake, that i will not make again, what more do i need to do, there are still alot of species i need to get, but if no one will sell to me then what is the piont of writng the book, as people have said i need the expirence of all species so i need to own all species, but if no one will sell me snails then i cant do this
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