Please help to identify...

[gabi]

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I got these snails a while ago and thought that this are striped Pantheras. Now I found that they have a V on the tail. Is this usual to Panthera`s? And they have gotten bigger and they are still that way striped. And their shells get more round now.
Your help is appreciated.

Kind regards, Gabi

[sezzy5889]

wow they're gorgeous they could be tigers! is that a recent pic?

[eric2]

the skin on the tail looks light for a tiger and so o the eyes

eric

[sezzy5889]

Gabi can u get a pic of the tail?

[anjieburdett]

Where's the pics - i can't find them dohhhhh

[gabi]

Sorry, no photo of the tail. My camera doesn´t make good photos or is it me? ;D I hope that my husband can take some later and I will send the pic to eric to put it up for me, okay?
But their tail looks like that from reticulats. The tail is almost white and you are right, their bodies look way different to Tigers.
I don´t think that are Dimidiatas (my dimis look totaly different) and I am sure that are no tigers (otherways that would be fancy-coloured tigers ;D)

Gabi

[eric2]

yeah i will put the pics on for you

eric

[sezzy5889]

they look like my smithii's

[gabi]

eeeehm...now I am looking a bit silly, because there is no V to see when they are not on the glasswall of the terri...(shame on me)...

But I am still interested what they are.. Coud it be weird shell coloured Reti? But my Reti look different...Clueless here.

I am getting some smithii-Babies from Melly, but then I will have to wait till next summer to identify..

Gabi

[gabi]

Poor Eric is just digging through a zillion of photos from me! Think of the poor guy...he is now doing hard work

Gabi

[Arno]

The one in the third pic on the left looks very much like a reticulata,the others could be crossbreeds?

[sezzy5889]

The one on the left in the last photo is a reti, the others could be but another possibility is smithii

[gabi]

They have all the same mami and daddy ;D but they are not to identify anymore, they are 18cm long and totaly grey. 9 year old.

Gabi

[eric2]

www.yesitisibob08.mypetpages.net

i hope that link works
there all the photos
eric

[gabi]

the first 2 pics are 2 of my beautiful fulica´s and the last one is one of my dimidiatas.

Thanks eric!

[Paul]

If the parents were 18cm long that generally leaves reticulata, albopicta and fulica because they aren't tigers and smithii are usually much smaller.

The photos on your forum do have a panthera-ish look about them though the stripes seemed very thin. However, I was sent a photograph of some striped panthera and they look as striped as yours at that age with light coloured bodies. I suppose it is possible that they are from a particularly large panthera, I mean it isn't inconceivable when you think that panthera normally grow to about 14cm. The fact that you say they look rounded also makes me think they could be but I wonder if you meant around the main whorl rather than the spire. What colour is the columella? Panthera have a red/pink columella so check that. But........

....the pics Eric put on completely changed my mind. I assume they are a little older because they look very different. I think they could well be reticulata. Have a look at the following comparison (I've altered the colour-balance and contrast of both pics slightly to try and standardise between cameras and lighting so it isn't conclusive):

Gabi's Snail



and one of Fredrik's reticulata babies:



We know reticulata patterns are very variable, my two have thinner blotchy stripes, less regular than fredrik's, and more of them and they remind me of yours. The uniformity of the stripes in the younger pics misled me to think they were panthera, but as they have developed they've become much blotchier.

It looks like the shell on yours is very textured by the way the light seems to highlight it down the centre of the shell. Fredrik's picture shows the texture clearly.

I've spent some time looking at this, this morning and Bequaert's descriptions of reticulata and albopicta could be about the same snail for all I can tell. The only difference is the degree of reticulation and texture on the shell. So, if you could compare two bonafide specimens with a magnifying glass we would be able to understand what he means. Because every feature he mentions for one species is possible though perhaps not common in the other species, I'm not sure we can ever say for sure which we have without knowing where the parents were collected .

The shell pictures he included of both species look the same to me; The variation between the pictures of one species alone is about the same as between both species.

[gabi]

Thanks Paul,

so they can´t be Panthera´s as their columnella is "beige" (miss the english word here - hope it is the same). So that looks like they are just a bit fancy coulourd Reticulatas. Most things on them fit for Reticulata.

Thanks all for helping!

Kind Regards,

Gabi

[Paul]

Re-read my message, I changed my mind after seeing the other pics. Edited my post took a while.

[gabi]

Thanks Paul,
so it is possible I have albopicta? Would be great!

I try to make this evening another pic because I have too reticulatas which are same age like the middle-sized snail. Maybe then we can see a difference (or not).

Thanks again Paul,

Gabi

[natrat84]

I want reti's !!!
The skin and pattern do make them look like reti's to me. But whatever they are, they are gorgeous
Nat

[gabi]

If really someone wants them, there are about more than hundred of them available...

Gabi ;D

[natrat84]

Really Just like the 1 in your photo? Bottom pic the 1 on the right?? Is that them now? Or a while ago? Have you any more photos? I reallllllllllly want reti's

[sezzy5889]

yeah get some more pics and i'l consoder getting some too ;D

[gabi]

I am not sure if I understand you right, Nat. English isn´t my best language ;D
The photos Eric put up yesterday are from yesterday and Paul has put one up today, that is too from yesterday.
Are we talking from the same snail? ;D

Gabi

[natrat84]

Thats fine Gabi How much are they? Do I have to contact the person direct? Do you have their email address? Many thanks
Nat