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Post by Selena on Feb 16, 2015 13:05:49 GMT
Thanks for support! unfortunately he didn;t make it, but one thing is clear: only the 10 reptile store snails got ill and died (beside a few others with a visible other cause of dead)
I have red the information on this site about mites again and again... mites can cause weakness to snails and they get faster an infection or even gets eaten by nematodes while the are alive. The snails from the reptile store were allready weak when i bought them, they never had an oviposition or sexual drive. They had scars and they had eaten frequently unwashed, non-organic vegetables. When mites appeared they got more weak. But i think they had died anyway. One of them died weeks before the others got invested bij mites./
I forgot: i want to finish this subject and now i start thinking again of what it could be.Its difficult to let it rest, but maybe its better to let it rest.
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Post by etana on Feb 20, 2015 4:56:25 GMT
Selena, sorry I'm a little late with this. I just wanted to say I'm very sorry that this thread ended this way, with the ill snails all passing away. I think it's pretty safe to say that the wrong feeding of snails in the reptile store was the main reason it happened, especially since the illness doesn't appear to be contagious. Pet stores need to know better. All these innocent snails are suffering for nothing but people's ignorance when it'd be so damn simple to do it right. I too left feedback about the painful handling of snails in the store in my area, they got back to me with a super friendly message and I can see why - anything else would have me telling everyone which exact store that is. I'll be watching that they make the changes they said they would. See you in happier threads Selena, I hope to hear stories about your sweet snail moms and their babies!
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Post by morningcoffee on Feb 20, 2015 9:49:36 GMT
I think it's pretty safe to say that the wrong feeding of snails in the reptile store was the main reason it happened, especially since the illness doesn't appear to be contagious. I'm not sure we can say that it must be what they were fed definitively when we don't really know anything about how they were kept at the pet store generally. I wonder if the pet store was changing their substrate / cleaning the tank too often.
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Post by etana on Feb 20, 2015 10:00:02 GMT
I think it's pretty safe to say that the wrong feeding of snails in the reptile store was the main reason it happened, especially since the illness doesn't appear to be contagious. I'm not sure we can say that it must be what they were fed definitively when we don't really know anything about how they were kept at the pet store generally. I wonder if the pet store was changing their substrate / cleaning the tank too often. I remember it being mentioned that at the reptile store where Selena got the snails, they were surprised to hear that snail food vegs should be washed. I based my "wrong feeding" thought on that.
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Post by morningcoffee on Feb 20, 2015 10:34:42 GMT
I'm not sure we can say that it must be what they were fed definitively when we don't really know anything about how they were kept at the pet store generally. I wonder if the pet store was changing their substrate / cleaning the tank too often. I remember it being mentioned that at the reptile store where Selena got the snails, they were surprised to hear that snail food vegs should be washed. I based my "wrong feeding" thought on that. Sure, but we have no idea where they got their veg from, what pesticides may or may not have been on it, and we even don't know what the effects of any kind of pesticide might be on snails - personally I'd be surprised for a pesticide to take several weeks to kill snails, it wouldn't seem to be very effective for its use in that case - you'd expect commercial pesticides should kill the creatures feeding on the plants very quickly to ensure they don't have time to feed more, breed etc. Having said that, I know very little about large-scale pesticides of the sort that would likely be used on farms growing food for human consumption. Obviously things like slug pellets used in gardens kill slugs and snails very quickly but those aren't used directly on the food/plant. I'm not saying it's not possible that what they were fed could have caused this, but I think we can't definitively say that this MUST be the issue, especially when the snails were also suffering from other visible problems like mite infestation. There is far too much we don't know, both about how they were kept in the pet store, and more generally how unwashed food would affect snails, to say that this is 100% certainly the issue behind their death.
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Post by etana on Feb 20, 2015 12:14:42 GMT
All right. Point taken, MC.
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Post by Selena on Feb 22, 2015 17:58:11 GMT
@ etana, thanks for support and MC: i understand what you mean but i know for sure they gave the snails unwashed vegetables (because he told me)and about the substrate: they had only a small layer of moss as a substrate. you're right, It is unlikely the effects of the pesticides on the vegetables will manifest weeks and even a month later,but it is more unlikely it didn't harmed the snails at all. So it is pretty save to say: at least the unwashed vegetables had a bad influence on the snails healths. if it is the cause of dead as well, we should never know.
Maybe the weakness in combination with the mites caused their dead. I'm afraid i will never know'.
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Post by chompie on Feb 23, 2015 21:54:33 GMT
Hi Selena - so sorry to hear about your snails ... thanks to everyone on the forum we might get to know more about them over time and know how to help them.
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