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Post by sezzy5889 on Aug 26, 2005 15:16:37 GMT
thats kinda funny actually
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Post by ceiron on Aug 26, 2005 15:20:44 GMT
yeah cuz they are allowed reptiles with a lisence so they are allowed snails too yeah, jsut depends on state though. give it a few eyars and i reckon reptiles and exotics as pets will be outlawed completely
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Post by sezzy5889 on Aug 26, 2005 15:27:39 GMT
OoOo i'm a terrorist, i put a snail in ma garden rofl
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2005 15:38:40 GMT
those americans are so dumb.
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Post by ceiron on Aug 26, 2005 15:41:34 GMT
its actually illegal to release them in the uk too (i know you didnt btw) i dont see i being too mcuh longer before gals make it through a winter in the uk. it does get that cold and colder in the us, global warming means milder winters. give it time.
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Post by natrat84 on Aug 26, 2005 16:13:35 GMT
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Post by natrat84 on Aug 26, 2005 16:18:32 GMT
Oh and don't ever feel the americans are deprived Far from it lol. They have alot of things that we don't. Just tell the woman you are sorry but they are illegal in the US so you are not willing to send them, they will be destroyed. And just be grateful we CAN have them ;D
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Post by ceiron on Aug 26, 2005 16:36:39 GMT
hey, they ahve stolen from arnos site. check out the more species link
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Post by thegreatloofa on Aug 26, 2005 16:55:53 GMT
Are they illegal in Canada? Or Mexico?
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Post by Paul on Aug 26, 2005 17:22:25 GMT
Not sure about Mexico, but in Canada, as far as I can tell they are illegal in some parts and not in others.
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Post by fredrik on Aug 26, 2005 18:55:47 GMT
I must say I have mixed emotions about GALS in the US. I can understand them, foreign species introduced to a country can cause major disasters in a ecological perspective. And we all know the story about the kid. Don't get me wrong, I would also like Americans to be allowed to keep GALS as a pet, since they are indeed a perfect pet. If we ship snails to the US, ignoring their laws, we must keep in mind what could happen. What would happen if the owner gets bored and wish not to keep them? I'm pretty sure there are several dumb US citizens who wouldn't give a damn what the risks would be if they released them in their garden. I'm also sure that there are several US citizens who are indeed very responsible, but who is there to judge if a potential owner are responsible?
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Post by Leah on Aug 26, 2005 18:58:27 GMT
Remember these people are American! Not known for their intelagence! (in general, as a country, nothing personal to any americans here).
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Post by thegreatloofa on Aug 26, 2005 19:21:57 GMT
Not sure about Mexico, but in Canada, as far as I can tell they are illegal in some parts and not in others. That'd make sense. It'll get too cold in the winter for them to survive by hibernating so there would be no need to restrict them as they could never be a threat.
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Post by fredrik on Aug 26, 2005 21:27:15 GMT
You are aware of that L.fulica can and have survived cold and snowy winters? I do think that they could outlive a winter in Sweden and even in Canada, if the conditions were optimal, but I don't think they would be able to reproduce quick enough to pose a threat. They are hardier than you think...
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Post by thegreatloofa on Aug 26, 2005 22:04:43 GMT
You are aware of that L.fulica can and have survived cold and snowy winters? How cold are we talking here? I once saw a BBC weather map of Canada in the winter it showed temperatures around -40 to -45 celsius (brrr!). How cold does it get in Sweden? I should think the places where they are illegal are near the coast where is is a bit milder.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2005 8:34:24 GMT
There are a few GALS owners in Canada, not all species are illegal there but some of them are. Oh well americans can at least keep apple snails
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Post by fredrik on Aug 27, 2005 20:03:31 GMT
Temperatures down to -25 degrees Celcius for a week or two are not unusual in Sweden. Even where I live, in the center of Sweden. It get's much colder in the northern part of Sweden and the cold can last for several weeks.
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Post by tara05 on Nov 22, 2005 3:49:10 GMT
There are a few GALS owners in Canada, not all species are illegal there but some of them are. If I may say so, that is an understatement and a half, lol. There is actually a large amount of people in Canada who have GALS, they just don't advertise it. GALS are illegal all over Canada, however pet stores get away with selling them to unsuspecting people. Many (herp) people will tell you that they are illegal, but secretly keep them themselves. Now I have no idea what one could do if they bought a GALS from a pet store, then were caught with it. Ignorance is no excuse in the legal system, however when it comes to exotics, there really is no clear line (to me anyways). I mean, I see people with Gaboon Vipers, which are illegal in Canada, yet they have no problems keeping them But anyways, there are many many GALS keepers here, but like I said, they are very wary and don't advertise it
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Post by Paul on Nov 22, 2005 5:30:49 GMT
GALS are illegal all over Canada, however pet stores get away with selling them to unsuspecting people. Many (herp) people will tell you that they are illegal, but secretly keep them themselves. Have you got some evidence of that in some way? Not that I doubt you, I'm just interested. We looked into it and it seemed to be illegal in some parts and not in others, but finding out from the authorities was more difficult than here! I thought it may have to do with how northerly you are, it being legal above a certain point where the snails could not survive the winter.
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Post by tara05 on Nov 22, 2005 7:45:18 GMT
Well, the sites that I found this on were government sites, however now that I look for them I can't find them One petstore told me that they would be legal here due to our colder temps during winter. However, other people in the herp business have told me otherwise (these people make it their business to know these things, but alas it is only hearday). One site that won't load for me is this: www.inspection.gc.ca/english/plaveg/protect/listpespare.shtmlSo, I may definitely be wrong. If I am I am more than happy You may very well be correct in that they are legal in parts, and not in others. If you have any information, I would be more than greatful to read it My husband and I are thinking of moving (we are major herp people who would like to open a new exotic shop, although not in this city). It would help to know what is legal and where, so that we can offer correct information to inexperienced people Thanks Paul!
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Post by Paul on Nov 22, 2005 8:49:48 GMT
It says a few species require permits: "CANADIAN FOOD INSPECTION AGENCY ANIMAL AND PLANT HEALTH DIRECTORATE PLANT PROTECTION DIVISION 59 Camelot Drive, Nepean, Ontario, Canada, K1A 0Y9, (TEL: 613-225-2342; FAX: 613-228-6602) D-94-14, MARCH 10, 1997 (2nd Revision) Title: PERMIT TO IMPORT REQUIREMENTS FOR PLANT MATERIAL FROM THE CONTINENTAL UNITED STATES"but I'm not sure what plant material has to do with it, and it doesn't mention if that is for food or pets or whether it applies to European imports. Over here, you can import inverts from within the EU that aren't marked as a threat and provided they are not for food. It would be worth you pursuing this. I tried with our organisations and, true to form in our bureaucracy, after quite a bit of contradictory information it turns out it is legal. I had to send emails from one organisation to the other as it seems that even though they are linked, they don't talk Then the problem here is customs, they have complete control over what comes in and out and there is no recourse whatsoever. So, even though it is legal they can decide they're not happy and kill them. We've heard stories of this happening but I don't think any of us have experienced that. But if the law is in your favour and you could get a letter explicitly stating that, you can photocopy that and bung it in any package in case anyone questions it. And you won't have to worry about imports ever again.
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Post by CelticCraftress on Mar 12, 2006 14:58:26 GMT
i know its just that i just wish americans cud have them, i just feel like theyre missing out. awww, that's so sweet of you! Really! I am from the USA, coming over to live in Scotland with my Scottish boyfriend (finally, long distance is killing us!) and I am a snail maniac. I am considering adopting a GALS, so if it helps, here's one American that won't be missing out anymore.
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Post by LisaLQ on Mar 12, 2006 19:49:02 GMT
So therefore you are obviously very intelligent (shame on you @ the folks who said otherwise)
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Post by Ben snail on Mar 12, 2006 19:54:51 GMT
i know its just that i just wish americans cud have them, i just feel like theyre missing out. awww, that's so sweet of you! Really! I am from the USA, coming over to live in Scotland with my Scottish boyfriend (finally, long distance is killing us!) and I am a snail maniac. I am considering adopting a GALS, so if it helps, here's one American that won't be missing out anymore. Im american too, so im not missing out either lol. where were you from?
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Post by CelticCraftress on Mar 13, 2006 0:14:53 GMT
Im american too, so im not missing out either lol. where were you from? Kansas City, Missouri. Woo hoo, exiting huh? And my boyfriend is from Dumfries and Galloway. I have been looking into the idea of possibly trying to track down some snails here (Missouri) to bring with me when I move. According to DEFRA, inverts have no need of permits or checks at specific airports. However, if the invert is a threat to native plants, thats another story. So, we shall see what they say when they reply to my E-Mail. Hopefuly they will give me a list or something.
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