apple
Archachatina degneri
Posts: 1,078
|
Post by apple on Mar 23, 2006 18:47:23 GMT
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2006 18:48:42 GMT
I thought it was Helix aspersa 'gros gris'
|
|
apple
Archachatina degneri
Posts: 1,078
|
Post by apple on Mar 23, 2006 18:53:09 GMT
It is gros gris in french.
|
|
|
Post by sezzy5889 on Mar 23, 2006 18:57:32 GMT
Can you get hold of some ?!?!?
me want Iberus alonensis!! ;D
|
|
apple
Archachatina degneri
Posts: 1,078
|
Post by apple on Mar 23, 2006 20:19:33 GMT
Of maxima, yes, about Iberus alonensis I guess isn´t found near the place I live, but only on far places from here. alonensis is found in mountains...
|
|
thuja
Archachatina marginata
Posts: 28
|
Post by thuja on Mar 29, 2006 12:17:46 GMT
Helix aspersa maxima (or: gros gris) is a breeding from France. It's the "big brother" of Helix aspersa aspersa (petit gris) Regarding the picture above: I keep some maxima that I bought in France from a snailfarm, but mine look different from this brown one. They are about 4-5cm long. The snail on the pic that apple posted looks like a H. pomatia to me.
|
|
|
Post by sezzy5889 on Mar 29, 2006 17:27:39 GMT
Deffo not pomatia
|
|
thuja
Archachatina marginata
Posts: 28
|
Post by thuja on Mar 29, 2006 18:32:28 GMT
sorry sarah... must be a little bit slow Just don't get it...
|
|
|
Post by sezzy5889 on Mar 29, 2006 18:36:33 GMT
the pic that apple posted isn't a Helix pomatia
|
|
thuja
Archachatina marginata
Posts: 28
|
Post by thuja on Mar 29, 2006 18:52:20 GMT
but nor it looks like a maxima.... or what do you think? Maybe there exist different colours?
|
|
|
Post by sezzy5889 on Mar 29, 2006 19:06:24 GMT
I think it well coul dbe maxima, you can get almost plain shelled aspersa so i don't see why not maxima, and the shell shape is identicle
|
|
|
Post by Robert Nordsieck on Mar 30, 2006 2:16:10 GMT
Hi there, the picture, that apple posted, is 'Helix aspersa maxima', in fact it looks to me like the picture Philippe and Julien Thomas have on their homepage Escargot Passion, see specially Escargot Blond des Flandres. As I read the page above, maxima is supposed to be like 8 cm long and considerably larger than a wild type Cornu aspersum. Though I must admit, that I personally have never seen one. Regards Robert
|
|
|
Post by sezzy5889 on Mar 30, 2006 9:29:17 GMT
those links don't work...
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2006 17:23:28 GMT
looks like helix aspersa to me. cudn't tell you any more. i doubt it's pomatia because pomatia has a light coloured body
|
|
|
Post by sezzy5889 on Mar 30, 2006 17:24:16 GMT
the shell shape and lip just aren't aspersa or pomatia!
|
|
|
Post by Robert Nordsieck on Mar 30, 2006 17:31:12 GMT
@ Sarah: The links work, just checked them. Please try escargot.free.fr and follow to the English language pages. Helix aspersa maxima is called "Blond des Flandres" as a special race. You can even ask the homepage's webmaster, they are quite friendly and speak English, too. Regards Robert
|
|
|
Post by sezzy5889 on Mar 30, 2006 17:32:32 GMT
Yeah ok i looked at it, now what
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2006 17:34:47 GMT
the shell shape and lip just aren't aspersa or pomatia! oh it's not beyond the bounds of H.aspersa variation. And they often have an everted lip...
|
|
thuja
Archachatina marginata
Posts: 28
|
Post by thuja on Mar 30, 2006 19:51:55 GMT
As I read the page above, maxima is supposed to be like 8 cm long and considerably larger than a wild type Cornu aspersum. Though I must admit, that I personally have never seen one. I did never see a maxima that is 8cm long... Robert: The snails on the picture I posted are Helix aspersa maxima! and the biggest one is 5,3cm long...
|
|
Arno
Archachatina puylaerti
Posts: 1,493
|
Post by Arno on Mar 30, 2006 20:53:58 GMT
I agree with that,unless you mean 8 cm body length .
|
|
|
Post by Robert Nordsieck on Mar 31, 2006 9:31:18 GMT
Good morning,
possibly it would be could if we could agree on the commonly used means of measuring a snail, otherwise ther will be many misunderstandings:
The shell is measured - in width laterally to the shell axis - in height parallel to the shell axis - length means the foot length of a snail or especially a slug.
Of course I did not mean the length (?) of the shell, there is, as far as I know it, no snail species in Europe that would reach 8 cm shell size in any way.
Regards Robert
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2006 9:38:22 GMT
when we talk about snail size we always refer to the shell.
so this aspersa maxima, is it just selective breeding of big aspersa to create really big aspersa?
|
|
|
Post by Robert Nordsieck on Mar 31, 2006 10:16:33 GMT
No. As written on " Escargot passion", Helix aspersa maxima is a large race of Cornu aspersum from Algeria. Wikipedia French states it was from "Northern Africa". The Thomas brothers started a breeding line to get Helix aspersa maxima with white bodies, as the French do not like snails with dark bodies for food. So they tried to achieve a Cornu aspersum looking like a Helix pomatia and has a similar size. So there obviously is: - The wild type Helix aspersa "maxima" in Northern Africa (only a large race of Cornu aspersum). Possibly that has spread to Portugal in the meantime?
- The cultivated type of Helix aspersa maxima, "Blond des Flandres" in France.
- The overall small wild type Cornu aspersum.
I'll stay with the subject, but in my opinion there is not a Helix aspersa maxima, but it should be Cornu aspersum maximum and besides, I think, that Helix aspersa maxima is only a denomination like gardeners give names to flowers, that are of no scientific value. That has been written in a German discussion board, as Thuja will know, as she took part in the discussion. (For those of you who speak German). ;D Regards Robert
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2006 11:24:41 GMT
oh ok I get it.
|
|
thuja
Archachatina marginata
Posts: 28
|
Post by thuja on Mar 31, 2006 17:44:12 GMT
Hi Robert!
Our discussion on the german board did not have any results, and besides, it was a discussion about why it is called Helix aspersa maxima and not Cornu aspersum maximum. In Germany Helix aspersa is said to be the old Name for Cornu aspersum.
As far as I know there is no wild typ ending on 'maxima', neither in Africa, nor in Portugal. The only wild typ is Helix aspersa (what is the same as Cornu aspersum)
I have never noticed s.b. offering "Cornu aspersum maximum", though I'd agree that the use of that would be correct (instead of Helix aspersa maxima).
|
|