snegledame
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Post by snegledame on Feb 9, 2007 10:44:23 GMT
PS. This thread is quite a story, absolutely fascinating. Have you ever thought about writing childrens books? HA! I had just the *same* thought approximately 2 days ago! Snakelady has kept me spellbound and fascinated by the gentle rhythm of her language (I can almost put a voice to it!), and the incredible level of empathy and sensitivity she has for these little creatures. Except for a few days this week when my fever was at 42 degrees (Cel.) and I was bedbound with a horrible influenza, I've been checking this thread twice a day for updates to the story. Snakelady, I'm sure you have many stories that should be told and heard (read). Please do! [P.S.: Your writing and the mood it incites reminded me of reading Gayle Greeno's books, many years ago.]
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snakelady
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Post by snakelady on Feb 9, 2007 23:58:39 GMT
Hi Everyone, Ready for an update on snakelady? I should probably start 2 new threads here - Outwitted by a slug and Slug in a Huff. Yes, it's been an unusual day - I thought earlier today, I'd be coming on to give the momentous news "she's eating", but the truth is she completely outwitted me After a bright and breezy start - I thought we had finally breached a barrier, and she was eating with gusto - more fool me. I offered her some quorn pieces, cut up very small, when she didn't want to take it on her own, I gently place the tip of one piece in what I thought was her mouth. She seemed to suck on it with glee, and it quickly disappeared. I was over the moon. Next I offered her a tiny piece of raw mince [not easy for a vegetarian], and again it quickly disappeared. Wow, happy days. After her momentous meal, she fell asleep on my hand, getting praised, petted, sang to, and generally hailed as the best slug in the world. After her snooze, she woke up, and went for a wander onto a lettuce leaf. And can you guess what she left behind? All the food I thought she had ate She'd just sucked it under her belly - outwitted by a slug. So I decided at least she was going to have a drink. I placed the tip of a wedge of cucumber in her mouth , and when she started sucking on it, I started placing little drops of water on the cucumber - they slid down and into her mouth. She was not amused. Since then she's been in a huff with me - she keeps turning her back on me, and won't give me a kiss. She won't even come on my hand
At the moment, she's asleep, with a little lump of roast beef "supposedly " in her mouth. Wonder if I'll be forgiven when she wakes up.
Ican't believe that in one day she completely outwitted me, and then went in a huff with me. But you've got to be impressed with how smart she is. Hope I get my goodnight kiss
Copigeon and snegledame - I love the idea of a children's book about slugs - maybe we could change the attitudes of a whole generation of children - make them slug and snail lovers. Love the idea - multiple chapters running around my head already. Thanks for the suggestion.
Let you all know tomorrow whether I've been forgiven or not. Best Wishes Snakelady
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snakelady
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Post by snakelady on Feb 11, 2007 23:40:53 GMT
Hi everyone, Another day, another story. Yesterday, all last night and through to this morning, I thought I was going to lose my lovely snakelady. She had the worst 24 hours yet. Yesterday morning, she was bright and breezy - full of fun and kisses - had definitely recovered from her previous huff, and forgiven me. But, she was still only taking occasional tiny bits of food - so she was still really thin, and easily exhausted. She had a nap early afternoon. While she was sleeping, I prepared some new foods for her - strawberries, yam and raw turkey mince. She loves to sleep on a large Chinese lettuce leaf, up near the top where it is think and ridged - and she likes the little curly ends of the lettuce torn off, and placed over her as a little blanket. So, after preparing her meal, I placed the largest strawberry I could find, behind the top of her "bed", and spread all the little treats lower down. Later in the afternoon, she awoke wanting stroked and kisses, after a while, the enticing strawberry aroma coaxed her out of bed. She went over the back of her bed, and found the huge strawberry. She played on top of it for 30 mins, but only sucked at the skin. She also discovered a new game - find the shadow slug! Yep, when she dangled over the edge of the strawberry, she saw the shadow of her antenna reflected on the surface of her tray [ rennie mackintosh of course - nothing but the best for my lady]. So we played find the shadow slug for awhile - great fun -highly recommended. ;D Sadly, things started to go wrong. She passed quite a lot of yellow diarrhea, and promptly left the strawberry. I wanted to get some water in her, as she had already been dehydrated prior to the diarrhea. So as she was making her way along the side of her lettuce leaf, I dropped tiny little droplets of water in her path - thankfully she stopped and drank them all. After the water droplets, I placed a little round of turkey mince. But before she reached it, things started happening. Another dose of yellow diarrhea, and then waves of peristalsis which gripped her whole little body. She became very distressed, and her breathing hole was enormous - it looked ready to tear. All the muscles around the hole were taut and cramping. Next, masses of large misshapen "eggs" started popping out her breathing hole - obviously distressing her. I petted her, and cleaned away the mess, and to my surprise she reached out her little antenna, pulled the Turkey mince to her mouth, and devoured the lot. Promptly followed by a nap. I was bewildered as to what was going on, but really glad she had eaten then rested. However, this sequence continued all evening, and then all night. The longest rest she had between episode was 25 to 30 mins. By the next morning she was so exhausted, I thought I was going to lose her. She must have passed hundreds of these large misshapen eggs, many of which were strung together - at least when they were like that I was able to pull them out and help her a little. Thank God she had the sense to eat and drink between each episode, or I don't think she'd have survived - she hadn't really eaten for the previous 12 days. Finally, it all slowed down and stopped about 7am, when she had another small feed, and water, and got settled into a clean bed and blanket. She slept for about 6 hours, and was still groggy and exhausted when she woke. But after another feed, she was up and about, slow and tried on the move, but full of fun and mischief. She's napping again just now, but I'm sure we'll have more fun and kisses when I change her bed tonight. She's a wonder, and I hope finally on the road to recovery. I don't know if it's recognised in the slug world - but I think a major part of her illness has been that she was "egg-bound" as happens to birds. I hope she managed to get rid of them all last night, but I'm watching her very closely. It was horrifying, seeing her so distressed, and not being able to do much to help, apart from keeping her company and petting her. Poor baby. Let you know how she is tomorrow - at the moment I'm just thanking God that I still have her. Talk soon Snakelady
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Post by Paul on Feb 12, 2007 0:19:25 GMT
I'm glad to hear she survived that. You describe the waves exactly, so it does sound like this was the problem. Hopefully, she will pick up now, the fact that she has eaten is very encouraging as egg laying is an exhausting thing.
I wonder how slugs and snails can become egg bound, it'd be interesting to find out?
I think we'd all love to see a picture of snakelady if you can arrange it.
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snakelady
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Post by snakelady on Feb 12, 2007 0:35:00 GMT
Hi Paul,
Thanks for your reply, that's very encouraging.
I'd love to post some pictures of snakelady - she's a real stunner, but don't you need special software to do that. My photos aren't even digital. If anyone knows how to do it - I'd love to hear.
Thanks for everyone's help, advice and interest in my little baby, it's very much appreciated.
Love Snakelady
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coyote
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Post by coyote on Feb 12, 2007 1:20:42 GMT
I thought only birds got egg-bound, because their shells are rigid. Are slug eggs more flexible? I would have thought a softer, flexible egg wouldn't cause binding inside the creature.
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Val
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Post by Val on Feb 12, 2007 22:28:03 GMT
In fact it is the opposite, birds get egg bound with soft shelled eggs which they cannot lay, perhaps it is possible for the same thing to happen to a snail/slug if it has insufficient calcium.
Val
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snakelady
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Post by snakelady on Feb 12, 2007 23:53:40 GMT
Hi Everyone,
The concept of slugs or snails becoming egg-bound is fascinating isn't it?
I don't know enough about either gastropod or bird anatomy to answer the questions.
But what snakelady passed certainly looked like eggs to me, albeit badly misshapen, or malformed.
Many of the eggs were very large, and not spherical, and perhaps these factors contributed to her problems. But the size and shape of the eggs were not compatible with the size of the orifice from which they had to exit. The eggs offered a fair amount of resistance when I crushed them [they certainly didn't look viable to me].
Many mammals run into birthing problems, often due to the size of the pelvic opening in the mother, and C-section is the only solution. What was happening to snakelady looked similar - the eggs were just too large and misshapen to easily pass.
Perhaps the eggs form within birthing channels, or develop there - if that channel were too narrow or twisted in some way, perhaps that could account for the problems. I really don't know, but it was certainly very distressing for snakelady, and very upsetting to watch.
Talk soon Snakelady
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coyote
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Post by coyote on Feb 13, 2007 2:15:15 GMT
In fact it is the opposite, birds get eggs bound with soft shelled eggs which they cannot lay, perhaps it is possible for the same thing to happen to a snail/slug if it has insufficient calcium. Val Ah, thanks for the info about birds. A friend of mine once had an egg-bound zebra finch but at the time I had the impression it was due to a too-rigid egg. But it makes sense about the too-soft shell making a bird egg-bound.
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snakelady
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Post by snakelady on Feb 13, 2007 16:25:41 GMT
Hi Everyone, Thought I'd give you a quick update on snakelady. Since that night she had so much trouble passing the eggs, she been really exhausted, and more or less slept around the clock. She's only been waking up for little 5 to 10 min spells every five hours or so. I thought the whole process was over, but each day she has passed another couple of very large, abnormally shaped eggs. She is eating now - but only tiny amounts at a time. Early this morning she passed another quite large amount of these strange eggs - this time in a variety of colours - from deep burgundy to pale pink to white. Some were huge, and very long oblong shapes. Again she was very distressed, and exhausted. But after a couple of hours sleep - she was up and about and really affectionate. She had some food and water, and is now napping again. I wonder how long this horrible process will go on But, despite all the trauma, she looks really well today, and actually seems to have put on a fair amount of weight - I've no idea how, because I certainly don't think she's eating enough. She continues to be a wonder and a joy, and I hope all her distress is finally over. Let you all know how she's doing - my little miracle girl Talk soon, Snakelady.
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snakelady
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Post by snakelady on Feb 14, 2007 18:08:27 GMT
Hi Everyone, I'm sad to report that snakelady has had a relapse - another 24 hours of passing these horrible eggs. How long does this process usually go on? She is so completely exhausted, she can hardly hold her head up , and it doesn't look like it's over yet. I'm very worried about her, she looks quite dehydrated again - but I wonder if it would be safe to bath her in this condition. Any advice would be great. Thanks, Snakelady
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Arno
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Post by Arno on Feb 14, 2007 18:44:26 GMT
Hello,personally I would give her a bit of a rest,you could spray her to get some water back into her.Good luck.
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snakelady
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Post by snakelady on Feb 14, 2007 20:22:45 GMT
Hi Arno, Thanks for the reply. Yes I'm giving lots of rest - and damping her down regularly. I've noticed something rather strange - every time a major egg expulsion is coming on, she crawls towards her strawberry, and drapes herself over it. The position that action puts her in widens her breathing hole, while supporting her whole body. I wonder if she is using the strawberry as a type of "birthing chair" - instinctively aiding the process? As soon as each batch of eggs are delivered, she immediately crawls of the strawberry - but returns again prior to the next episode. This rather strange behaviour has been going on for five days now - isn't hindsight a wonderful thing But, I've started wondering - is she getting more from the strawberry than just good positional support? The two main hormones involved in mammalian labour are Prostaglandins and Oxytocin - both of which stimulate contractions. I tried to find out today if strawberries contain either hormone - even a precursor of either hormone [loads of info still to wade through], but it seems strawberries do contain precursors to prostaglandins. I realise, that the anatomies and physiology of the two species are very different, as is the reproductive processes. However, visible peristalsis precedes the egg laying, so some form of contraction is definitely taking place. What triggers the expulsion of the eggs? I wouldn't be surprised that some hormonal activity was involved - if this is the case, and prostaglandins are necessary - then maybe snakelady has shown us a possible "treatment" for egg-bound slugs. Just as many mammals require injections of prostaglandins and oxytocin, to start, and maintain the labour process - perhaps egg-bound slugs/snails [or any egg layers] require prostglandins to start and aid the egg laying process. Animals seem to have inherent knowledge regarding their own health requirements, and observing these natural "talents" may teach us a lot, and illuminate possible treatment options. Snakelady is heading for the strawberry again - so research on hold - but any feedback would be most welcome. Talk soon, love snakelady
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snakelady
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Post by snakelady on Feb 15, 2007 23:56:14 GMT
Hi Guys, Good news on snakelady - this is her first full day without passing any eggs at all, since the whole sorry saga started And strangely enough, it's also the first day she hasn't sought out her strawberry - maybe she just knew she didn't need it She looks great, we had real fun playing, loads of kisses, and she has decided she really likes dunking her head in a tiny water glass. She gobbled down a whole piece of turkey mince - with very little encouragement. And she even has little areas of bright yellow returning to her skin - these past few days she'd looked quite ashen. She's still very thin, and tries easily, but what a joy to have around. Let's all hope she's finally turned the corner, and that brave little heart will triumph. Isn't it great to have good news ;D I love it. Talk soon, Love snakelady
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Arno
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Post by Arno on Feb 16, 2007 14:33:41 GMT
Great news,but I'm wondering:what will you do when she makes a full recovery?Release her back outside or keep her as a pet?
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snakelady
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Post by snakelady on Feb 16, 2007 19:23:03 GMT
Hi Arno, Thanks for your concern over snakelady. Will I keep her as a pet? Oh I'd dearly love to. I think at least I should keep her till spring, and the weather improves. But, ultimately, it must be her decision I think I love her, and love having her close by - and she seems to feel the same - she's really a little "lap" slug now. When she's not napping, she wants cuddles and kisses, and played with all the time - we've became really close, and she just loves the human contact - even the sound of my voice. She sits beside me for hours, just happily listening to me prattle away while I'm on the computer - she doesn't want to move away. Maybe all that will change as her strength returns - we'll just have to wait and see. If it becomes obvious she wants her freedom, I wouldn't hold her against her will - but I think it'd break my heart if she left. Maybe she'll go out regularly to see all her little friends, and come back at night to stay with me. I certainly hope she doesn't just go away - and I'll never see her again - I don't think she'd do that out of choice - but there are so many dangers outside At the moment, I'm just trying to nurse her through these difficult times, and I think I can honestly say - we're thoroughly enjoying each other's company. The future, and spring will come around, and sadness may come with it - but this time together is like a little gift - it's enough for now. I'd love to here other thoughts on the matter. Love snakelady
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snakelady
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Post by snakelady on Feb 18, 2007 18:43:58 GMT
Hi Guys, Another update on snakelady - unfortunately she's had another relapse. Masses of hideous eggs. She was sitting on her little tray beside me, seemed comfortable and was she quietly listening to me talk to her and stroke her. I turned away for a second - to put down a coffee mug - and when I turned back her whole right side was covered in masses of abnormal looking eggs, and horrible semi-congealed fluid, which looked like blood [do slugs really have green blood?]. All the eggs were dark brown, as they had been when she started passing them a week ago. None of the pinkish or white ones were present. And the congealed fluid was dark reddish brown. There was so much fluid it had ran up the side of her body and was all around her mouth and face. She was really panicking and distressed, and was trying to get her face and mouth away from the congealed mess. I got a real shock - I didn't know if she was bleeding out, or even where it was all coming from. I quickly lifted her, and turned her over to check underneath, and cleared her mouth for her. On examination, it became obvious that everything had came from her breathing hole, and I was then able to distinguish the multiple eggs among all the congealed fluid. But stringy, sticky fluid kept coming out, every time I tried to wipe her clean. I cleaned her all up, but she was very frightened and upset, and needed lots of cuddles and reassurance. It took hours to convince her to eat and drink a little, and settle into bed - she just wanted to stay in contact - I think she was frightened it would happen again - I was too, and still am. Does anyone know what all that congealed fluid was? Could she have been bleeding inside? Is there are indications as to when all this laying will stop? It seems every time she takes a step forward, there are two steps back. She remains very subdued, and has very little energy, and she's stopped eating again. I'm really worried about her, and I wonder how much more her little body can take Any advice or answers would be greatly appreciated, Thanks Snakelady
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Post by Paul on Feb 18, 2007 20:22:03 GMT
It would help to know what species she is. As Arno said, some slugs like Arionid slugs only live 12 months and probably only survive until they lay their eggs. Snakelady does sound the most like Limax maxumus which according to the following link: ipm.ncsu.edu/AG136/slug6.htmllive 2.5 to 3 years, lay " clusters of about 25 light yellow eggs covered by mucus (674 to 834 total)" It sounds like it will go on for some time. What it does say is that " Eggs are usually deposited under objects on the ground such as stones and boards.". I'm wondering if she'd feel more comfortable with things to hide her eggs under. What it can't find is information on how regularly they lay their eggs. Whether it is once a year or once a lifetime so it's hard to know how "normal" what is happening actually is. Most literature on slugs is about killing them, and not that many people keep them that we hear of. The slug info on the site definitely needs ramping up. If the people who keep them can write what they know and send it to me, I'll stick something up there. Have a look at the following link: images.google.com/images?q=Limax+maximusand tell me if you think Snakelady may be one of those. To answer one of your questions that I do know the answer to: Slugs have cynanin (copper) in their blood rather than haemoglobin (iron). So slug blood does have a blue/green quality about it, not red. The fact that it came from the breathing hole is worrying. You can see the eggs through the breathing hole but they actually pass down the snail and are laid from the genital opening. I once found some strange mucus in the breathing hole of one of my snails. It looked like burst eggs and the snail survived which was weird because it made me wonder if the eggs had burst out of the membrane you can see them through. Being egg bound may cause that, and that may explain the blood in your case. I hate to worry you, I'm just being honest about what I think could be happening. She ate and drank afterwards though and for me that is always a hopeful sign. I just don't know enough about slugs to know whether any of this trauma is normal. But I know that laying 600+ eggs in 25 egg clutches would be traumatic in any case.
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snakelady
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Post by snakelady on Feb 19, 2007 0:41:35 GMT
Hi Paul,
Thanks so much for your post, and all the research you put into it.
I checked the links you provided, and I think snakelady is definitely a Limax Maximus Tigerscnegel.
I was shocked at the amount of eggs to expect - 600+ I think, even though she has passed many, we still have a long way to go - which is a really frightening prospect!
She has various things under which she could lay her eggs - but what she seems to want most is contact and reassurance.
Regarding the eggs themselves - none have appeared yellowish, or regular in shape. When the first batch was laid [8 days ago], they were all very dark brownish/burgundy coloured. A few days ago they were mostly pinkish or white, but still had occasional deep brown ones among them. This latest lot were like the first batch, all very dark in colour, and though many were still irregular in shape, many appeared to be ruptured. What really frightened me was the mass of congealed liquid - it definitely wasn't blue/green tinged - but like the eggs very dark burgundy with a brownish hue. And the speed was very alarming. Plus I was stroking her just before it happened, and didn't notice any peristalsis.
Should the eggs not be coming out of the breathing hole? I had thought, because you see them through that hole, and that is where they have came from since it all started, that this was normal practice - but I could never figure out how it didn't interrupt her breathing? It's all very confusing and worrying.
Where should I be seeing the eggs come from?
Though she has been eating and drinking - it is very small amounts, and requires a lot of encouragement, and she has lost a lot of weight. Force feeding through a syringe doesn't really seem a viable option - mainly because of the problems actually locating her mouth, but also I fear injuring her. But if this process is going to be long term, I doubt she will survive.
Thank you for your honesty, I don't want to just here good news if it isn't accurate. Better to know the truth and what you're facing.
Several times I have feared she has been near death, and then suddenly she'd really bounce back, and have a good day. It's been a roller coaster ride from the outset. I just wish there was something I could do to help her. She's very precious, and has the most amazing personality, she deserves to survive this, and deserves all the help she can get. It's horrible feeling so useless.
I agree with your comment re published materials - they're all about killing slugs - people just wont take the time to really see them and get to know them - they're a joy to be around, [maybe the children's books will help with that].
Thanks to everyone for your help and advice - it touches my heart that so many people care about little snakelady's well-being. I'll keep you all updated, and as always - all advice is welcome. Thanks again Paul, Love Snakelady
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Post by Val on Feb 19, 2007 18:50:57 GMT
Regarding the eggs, well in a snail they actually push them through the opening in the side of their neck!! I know this sounds really odd but that is what they do they don't come out through the breathing hole. I really don't know if a slug is the same, someone else here who has hatched slug eggs would be able to help.
Val
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Post by copigeon on Feb 19, 2007 18:56:27 GMT
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snakelady
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Post by snakelady on Feb 19, 2007 19:50:18 GMT
Hi Val and Copigeon,
Thank you both so much.
I had a good look at the link - and the pics couldn't be more diff from what's happening to snakelady.
Firstly, snakelady's breathing hole is actually quite far down her mantle. I've never been able to observe any other openings around her mantle.
So far the eggs are definitely coming from the breathing hole [ thanks for those pics though, they really helped clear up that question]. The eggs snakelady is laying look nothing like the ones in the pics - they are a variety of colours, ranging from brown/deep burgundy to pinkish and white - but predominantly the darker variety.
Also, the eggs are seldom round, many are oblong, and 99% of time are in long "strings". Many have been very dry when passed, and don't have that pearlescent appearance the eggs in the pic did. However, that night all the semi-congealed fluid came out along with the eggs, it appeared many of the eggs were ruptured - but even surrounded in the messy fluid - the eggs weren't shiny.
Today, snakelady passed a string of approx 12 eggs, again varying in colour, but predominantly dark. The were dry and not at all glossy looking - and thank goodness no congealed fluid accompanied them.
After passing them, she seemed to perk up a little, and had a little wander around and some cuddles - she's napping now, with her head buried in a tiny broccoli floret.
Could the membrane that should lead the eggs to the genital opening have ruptured? or be missing? And could all the eggs be "loose" in her lung?? What would such a scenario suggest for her survival?
Copigeon, and Val - thanks again for your help and research, it's very much appreciated. At least now I know that what is happening if grossly abnormal - not good news, but always better to be informed.
Just a last desperate thought - would surgical removal of the remainder of the eggs be an option? And perhaps sterilization, so this situation doesn't occur again?
Any thoughts would be most welcome, Love Snakelady
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Post by coyote on Feb 19, 2007 21:31:42 GMT
I just had an off-the-wall thought: I'm wondering if those might not be her eggs she's passing. Is it at all possible they're something else entirely, such as some internal parasites she's expelling, or something like that? That might explain why they're coming from her breathing hole and why the color of everything is not consistent with normal egg-laying.
Just a thought.
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snakelady
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Post by snakelady on Feb 19, 2007 21:54:09 GMT
Hi Coyote,
Thanks for that idea- I had wondered about that possibility myself. When snakelady started passing these "things" I kept the first lot segregated, and watch for any signs of life or movement. There was no signs that these "things" were alive or moving. I then destroyed them by crushing.
Paul said in one of his posts that the waves of peristalsis were consistent with egg-laying.
At the moment though, I must admit I'm just assuming that they are eggs, and could be totally wrong.
Could anyone describe what parasites would look like, and is there any treatment?
Thanks to everyone for their help - keep you all updated. Love snakelady
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Post by Arno on Feb 19, 2007 22:50:38 GMT
Snakelady,you're right that the breathinghole is further down on snakelady's body,she's a Limax species and the slug in that link is an Arion species. I think any kind of surgery would probably be fatal,the eggs(if thats what they are)have to come out naturally.Good luck.
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