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Post by Evil Angel on Apr 5, 2012 13:30:05 GMT
my tiger tub at the bottom covered in foil haha! but its got both mats plugged in now and heating up! gonna keep a close eye on things and hopefully will see an improvement!! ;D
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Post by Evil Angel on Apr 5, 2012 13:21:13 GMT
Thanks! ;D Attached the velcro, it has made it a lot more secure! I've now got my 2 albino retics, 2 fulica, 2 rodatzi, 2 jadatzi, 2 jades, and 1 albopicta in there haha! Will be moving all the fulicas and the albopicta into a massive tub of their own once their big enough, and just have my 2 albino and 2 normal retics in it, but that wont be for a while yet as most of the fulica are less than 1 inch big at the mo.. Also planning on getting a couple of the stick-on vivarium plants to cover up the velcro a bit on each side of the door (really glad I went with white velcro, you hardly notice it! ;D) My tiger Tub at the bottom, the newly coverted tank, and on top is where my leopard slugs will live ;D
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Post by Evil Angel on Apr 5, 2012 11:05:05 GMT
I was worried because mine arn't even active at night time! I've been up at silly hours in the night checking them, but they never move from their 'burrows' the heat mat arrived this morning, I'm gonna attach it to the other side of my tank and wrap the whole tub in tin foil to keep the heat it.. hoping that will push the heat up to around 27C-30C see if that will perk them up... I'll set it all up and give it until tonight then check the temp reading, and start keeping a close eye on the tigers, see if they notice the change haha! Will have to move my Fulicas out though will probably be too hot in there for them in there after I attach the second mat...I didnt want to keep them in with my younger snails but its either that or I cook them in the tiger tub LOL Anywhoooo......will let you know how it all goes! hoping to be able to report back with nice active tigers haha!
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Post by Evil Angel on Apr 4, 2012 15:08:19 GMT
I've ordered another heat mat, I'm going to up the temps a bit and see if that helps... I know tigers are an inactive species, and that they love to be burried for most of the day anyway, but I think mine just arn't that happy with the way I'm keeping them at the moment :/ So gonna try a few different things until I see some kind of improvement.. First step is raising the temps slightly..
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Post by Evil Angel on Apr 3, 2012 22:06:33 GMT
they are tiger composting worms, I put them in the soil so I wouldnt need to clean it anymore, and it's been going fine for the last year or so, but just today 2 of my snails have had worms climb inside their shell through the breathing hole... The worms are completely inside and theres no way of getting them out, I hope they manage to wriggle out before they die in there!!! I dont understand why its been fine for so long and just all of a sudden this happens? :/
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Post by Evil Angel on Apr 3, 2012 12:17:25 GMT
Has anyone ever had a problem with keeping snails and worms together? I've been keeping mine togther quite well for about a year. However, today I ntoiced that 2 of my snails actually had worms INSIDE their shells! The worms have obviously wriggled in through the snails breathing hole, and then been trapped! My Rodatzi seems to be carrying on as normal but my jade has retracted and really doesnt seem good! I've never had anything like this happen before or ever heard of it happening! I dont think I'll be able to get the worms out, so I dont think I've got much choice but to leave the snails and hope the worms find their way out again?
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Post by Evil Angel on Apr 3, 2012 10:23:57 GMT
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Post by Evil Angel on Apr 2, 2012 22:59:02 GMT
I did plan on putting some of my prettier snaillies in the tank, and making it a display thing, but because of the snails shells I've been kinda restricted in terms of rocks, branches and stuff, but with the slugs I could kinda go to town on it and make it look awesome! Just wish I had thought about it before I got my partner to attach all the heat mat and foil for me haha!
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Post by Evil Angel on Apr 2, 2012 21:22:53 GMT
lol ever since I first saw a leopard slug I've always wanted them! <3 I was worried about the penpal tanks, that was why I asked to be honest as I have a massive one and thought it'd be good, but then started worrying about the holes!! I do have this tank: petsnails.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=11644I did just spend ages getting it ready for some of my snails, but am wondering if maybe I should let the slugs have it instead?? I just dont know!!!
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Post by Evil Angel on Apr 2, 2012 18:27:52 GMT
I'm getting a few Leopard Slugs sent to me soon, and was wondering about housing them... I know they can escape quite easily as they can just push themselves through small gaps so was wondering what sort enclosure I'd need? as don't want any escapees haha! ;D I've read up about them and know they need a pretty decent sized tank as otherwise there's a chance they'll eat each other, but my real worry was the escaping thing These will be my first ever slugs (as long as you don't count the eggs i hatch when i was 5 lol), so I'd be grateful for any advice from other slug keepers! ;D Thanks!!!
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Post by Evil Angel on Apr 1, 2012 18:58:56 GMT
thing is: 1) in life, when you are offering such as these people are, people will always doubt, and need questions answering, and it should be for all their future 'business partners' to see, in fact jonh and jane should have relished the opportunity to show off what they're offering by answering our questions and providing pics and such, it would have gained them more respect and more custom once they openly show everyone they are all they said, but they didnt, so if anyone made them look shady then it was themselves for not shining the light that everyone asked for. (and no matter what type of business someone runs, they will always need to provide proof of what they offer, have you never seen Dragons Den or The Apprentice? lol its just a part of every day business that they should have been prepared for, their pitch was full of holes and shady areas and that was their fault, no one elses.) 2) I dont think at any point at all I 'cursed', if I did please please quote it for me, unless you mean the word stupid which is not a curse as it wasnt directed at a person. 3) you are right, we dont know who is at the other end of the computer, that is why we have to be so harsh and so critical, and why they should have provided more proof of their buisness as everything they offered was on a 'trust' basis. It was silly of them to assume everyone would trust them right from the off when they just pop out of no where with no evidence to suggest they were really all they said they were. 4) You should be passionate in all you do, otherwise you shouldnt bother doing any of it. And because I was passionate and challenged them as others did that finally seems to have exposed them as scammers, as after all, they haven't replyed with anymore info, pics or references as politely asked of them. And so, if I did PM them, what would be there to stop innocent people getting involved with them, they should have relished having the chance to say 'here you go, this is me next to my tanks, heres a list of people that were willing to vouch for us' as ultimately it would've earnt them much more business. So once again, it needs to be in the open, and it needs to be challenged, for all to see and make up their own minds about it. If its all done behind closed doors then no one will know whether they are really offering what they say or not... These things have to be done in public for all to see, and if they've nothing to hide then I really don't see what the problem with that is, as I said, proving us wrong in public would have earnt them more business partners so they would have done so quickly and throughly, if they could...
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Post by Evil Angel on Apr 1, 2012 18:17:06 GMT
Thank you PinkUnicorn nightangel: I didn't call anyone stupid at all, simply the act I called stupid, and lets face it, we all make stupid mistakes and decisions, I have made stupid mistakes and decisions, and that doesnt make me stupid, and it doesn't make anyone else stupid for doing the same either. An act can be stupid, but that doesnt mean that the person who made the mistake is stupid, because if that was the case, then every single person in the world would be deemed stupid (and any roll-eyes I did was not at you it was simply to show the tone of the post and to say 'thats just me being me', also I have not been here long, I have only recently come back a week ago after years of being absent, so dont have any respect or standing on this forum) And as I said, I am very sorry to any offence taken, nothing I said was to hurt anyone, not even 'john' and 'jane', it was simply my passionate nature trying to get my points across, but I can't and wont regret saying anything of the things I said as I do believe that getting involved with these people when there is so much reason to doubt them is a stupid thing to do (not even taking their names into consideration btw), but dont think it's stupid to be curious about what they are offering, after all, we are all curious to see if they are really genuine.
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Post by Evil Angel on Apr 1, 2012 17:55:23 GMT
Still waiting on the velcro to arrive so we can secure the door, and I wanna get some dangly plants to attach to the top of the tank to hang down the sides of the tank... But it's getting there! really think my partner did a good job with it, turned out much better than if i'd got my clumsy mitts on it haha Cant wait to have it finished! ;D Just hoping the worms don't find a way out! LOL!
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Post by Evil Angel on Apr 1, 2012 12:09:17 GMT
Well said Copigeon, Brunni, and Ness in their wonderful posts above! ^ They said what I tried to say but with much more dignity and control I just want to make it clear that I was merely concerned with the welfare of any animals involved qnd the (ever increasing) likely hood of people either being scammed, ripped off or gotten into trouble by said advert. I agree that this all could be innocent, but if so, then where is the pictures of their said setups and farm, where is their references from others that they have had dealings with in the past? They became overly defensive and then silent.. They should have been able to at least provide pictures. Any business person knows that when making a presentation of their said business for investers/customers, they need to provide proof and sercurity for the investers/customers, and the same applys to this sort of business also. Questions would always need answering, and they have simply talked a bit of talk and then shrunk into the shadows, so forgive me for being concerned... They should've been able to back all this up...Especially when asking to pay after they've sold them on, and only 'if they sell them'... So once again, sorry for maybe getting too involved and too passionate, but the feeling of doubt was too difficult for me to ignore when I had the image of animals and people coming off badly by getting involved with something so risky... I can never sit in silence when I feel that people or animals are at risk. I guess I just care too much! But heck, I suppose if people didn't care and didn't speak out or challenge things thats they think is- wrong or dangerous then the world would be in an even graver state than it is now. So sorry for maybe diving in at the deep end to punch the shark on the nose, and maybe that shark was really a dolphin after all, but sometimes you have to challenge things to make sure they really are safe for all concerned. So I regret if any one took offence or was insulted by anything I said, But I cannot say sorry for trying to express my concerns for the people and animals that may suffer, I can only say sorry for maybe coming across a bit harsh, but that is just my passionate nature coming through! So I am sorry for any offence taken by anyone from something I've said, but not sorry for speaking out when I suspected that these guys weren't all they said they were...as even innocent businesses need to, and do provide proof...
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Post by Evil Angel on Mar 31, 2012 20:55:13 GMT
I want some sluggies! they look sooo cute <3
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Post by Evil Angel on Mar 31, 2012 17:56:01 GMT
its a scam, why doesnt he pay up front for snails like everyone else? whats to stop him saying 'oh they didnt sell..' when really they did... there is no safety in this for the seller at all, importing snails is different, you have to do in bulk to make it worth while, but you arn't just doing that, you are buying everything in bulk, everything at half price, you wanna make money then breed the friggin' snails yourself you seem to have enough tubs, time and money to do so, so why bother with all this nonsense? its just silly. And your story seems to change every other post lol. You just seem to think this is some huge cash-cow that has to be milked for all its worth, cb and wb, nothing is safe from you, it's only about what 'sell's well', and thats what I have a problem with, its not for the snails, its for you to make a quick buck, and you've gone the wrong way about it. I dread to imagine how you keep these poor things until you eventually manage to deal them out to whoever will have them. There are enough people selling snails without you begging for more to pass round. its insane. just breed them yourself if you are so damn desperate for 'em like everyone else does, then you may just be a but more responsible as at least then you'll know more about what your passing on to others and will be able to give more info on parents, care, ect as you'll have put the work in yourself, and not just let someone else do the hard work for you so you can just take 'em off their hands cheaper and flog 'em on a higher price elsewhere. you're making a lot of money for doing nothing. selling them on is easy and cheap, you dont pay for it, the buyers do, but actually hatching out, feeding, housing, caring for the babies? thats the hard work and thats the bit that costs the money, and you buying the snails at such an insanely low price is just cheating the breeders that put all the time, money and effort into rasing them, just so you can make a quick quid. be responsible and stop being lazy and just do the work yourself instead of relying on others to do it for you. as i said, if you were just after wc then thts different, its necessary for bulk buying and would do the cb population some good to get new blood in their lines, but you would need to buy upfront and if they dont sell then thats your problem, but treating cb the same is completely unnecessary and just plan lazy, not to mention there are way too many out there already without you adding to it. also, no matter what you say, I think you are stupid to assume you could care for each and every snail when you have thousands and thousands to keep checks on, so most snails sent to you, will be going to their doom, as you wont be able to put the effort into keep individauls alive that are sick or injured, ect, i suppose you've got a very large freezer on hand? I just don't trust this guy. And I best no say anymore on this thread as I will end up getting myself in trouble.
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Post by Evil Angel on Mar 31, 2012 13:50:18 GMT
also, as you say you all ready have thousands of snails, how on earth do you plan on giving each snail the individual care they deserve? Do you have about 100 people living with you, endless amount of tanks, and money to look after all these healthy and any sick snails? I think not. Also, you lure people into this with the idea of making £50-£100 profit, without letting the people know that they could make double that by cutting you out of the equasion, instead of having to give you a cut for doing what is, in my opinion, the easy part by just selling them? =P You stated quite clearly that you want 50% of the profit, so no matter how you phrase it, you are in effect buying the snails for 50% less than everyone else, and then selling them on at the full price to earn yourself some easy money. 'Not for profit'...yeah right lol you are doubling your money!! You seem to want to make a whole-sale bussiness of it, you buy they snails for cheap and sell them off for a profit is what your game is, no matter how much you sugercoat it. Sorry, but only idiots and people desperate to get rid of their snails will contact you about this, but I guess thats just the kind of people you are relying on to fall for your rubbish. Brunni had a good point, if its not for profit then why not pay up front like everyone else and at the same price of everyone else? You'd get your money back when you sell them after all, so if it's not for profit then why not? You also shot your self in the foot by saying 'looking for business partners', after all, it's only a business if you are making money out of it, correct? Also, when you dont manage to sell the animals, you just put them in tanks and keep them forever do you? Giving each one enough food, water, cuttlefish, the right amount of heat,and care required? Making sure that every individual is healthy and happy? You are right not to bother replying anymore, you know its wrong, and we know its wrong, and you saying anything further would only result in this looking even more shady than it already does, correct? I just pray that anyone looking to sell their snails actually cares about what will happen them and therefore aviod sending them to whatever will befall them in your so-called care. You wanna buy handbags wholesale then flog them off for more money, fine, go do it and good luck to you, but animals? Its just sick.
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Post by Evil Angel on Mar 31, 2012 12:25:57 GMT
i think its paint to mark him for some reason as you can see a tiny bit on the wood below him
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Post by Evil Angel on Mar 31, 2012 11:39:38 GMT
our problems sound exactly the same lol
because they're so keen on being buried I wonder if the tank is too cold? But to be honest, it's around 25C-30C and I keep the soil quite moist as read the soil they have in the wild is quite damp, it's also got a good humidity in the tank, so don't understand what I'm doing wrong?
I get scared that if I leave them and dont dig them up, that they will just stay down there, seal themselves up and then die =(
I want to get some albino tigers, but wont risk it while my normals dont seem happy! =I
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Post by Evil Angel on Mar 31, 2012 9:07:32 GMT
because my cage is bigger than the one in the picture, there is more area around the door, so there's no chance of the soil being tipped out I ordered some 2 inch wide white velcro to secure the corners, couldn't really think of any other way of doing it without it looking messy as I plan to use it as a display tank so want it to look neat.. I'm really hoping the velcro works!!
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Post by Evil Angel on Mar 30, 2012 12:43:13 GMT
I am so happy!!! After months and months of waiting, 2 of my snails are sexually mature!!! ;D My 2 Fulica Rodatzis have finally developed the 'lump' today!! one in perticular was very erm large...thought he'd started growing a 3rd eye at first lol But am very excited as they are the first of my snails to get it and am so happy hahaha! I am now on egg watch... lol really want a little baby from them <3
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Post by Evil Angel on Mar 30, 2012 10:55:54 GMT
Why are my tigers always deeply burried and withdrawn? Whenever I look in the tub I see all my other snails roaming about and eating and just generally being happy, healthy snaillies But my tigers are never to be seen! I often find myself digging and digging around the tub until I find them just to make sure they're ok. But they're just burried down in their shell. I just don't get it! The temp is 25C and its nice and humid and my other snails all thrive in it even though it was set up for my tigers... I just don't know what I'm doing wrong! I read that tigers do like to spend a lot of time being burried and such, but mine are never active?! I get worried that they'll starve to death so every morning I dig them up and place them on top of the food, but next time I look in the tub they are burried again! I really think I'm doing something wrong and worried that they'll die or something if I just leave them to it... and they never seem to want to come out from their shells, no matter how much I try and tempt them with foods, they are just always burried and hiding? I really dont know what I'm getting so wrong? If you've got any advice for me about this I'd be very grateful! Thanks for your time!
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Post by Evil Angel on Mar 29, 2012 22:26:00 GMT
Well said copigeon!
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Post by Evil Angel on Mar 29, 2012 21:21:46 GMT
so what happens when you get all these snails and slugs, and then you cant get rid of them? as I say, there are endless listings for snails online, and whats going to make the people choose you over all those hundreds other people trying to shift their snails too? you going to give them back to the poor breeder or are you planning to keep ALL the snails you cant manage to get rid of? I can imagine you becoming over run very very fast...
And what is stopping the breeders just selling them on their own? they are in effect giving a cut of their 'profit' to you, for very little reward... whats the difference sending them on to a buyer, or sending them on to you? The answer: they have to send to you at a 50% loss.
You say you'd pay postage to send them to you, but buyers pay postage anyway, and would pay for the snails in full, and would be for no more trouble or effort for the breeders.
its just like someone saying 'I'll buy your snails for 50% less than anyone else so sell them to me!' Its just a complete joke lol
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Post by Evil Angel on Mar 29, 2012 19:56:44 GMT
oh thats pretty! <3 you are lucky haha!
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