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Post by Evil Angel on Nov 12, 2012 19:50:00 GMT
So do you have any pictures of the parent snails at all then? That would really help
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Post by Evil Angel on Nov 12, 2012 13:29:06 GMT
Yes Aimee says that Fulica bought the babies then sold them on as what they were sold to her as. But Fulica's last few posts seem to suggest that Fulica thinks her suturalis crossed with the 'ovum' adults, and produced the babies.. Therefore she bred them, not bought them as she told Aimee.. So just wondered if she would clear that up a bit.. But basically I was just trying to answer her question about her suts cross breeding with something to produce them, and let her know that these arn't crosses between ovum and suturalis, or even immac and suturalis, but rather just pure immacs.
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Post by Evil Angel on Nov 12, 2012 10:31:22 GMT
It was fulica99, she said she had been sold the immacs as ovum and I guess she had never checked. Thought they were sold to you? But everyone (including me), says they are Immaculata. They are NOT margies. They are a form of Achatina, therefore not produced by your Marginata Suturalis, unless your Suturalis are also not margies, and are actually Immacs.. I have plenty of both marginata and achatina babies, so can give you 100% ID there I can assure you! But there are some baby Immacs on Ebay atm, selling at £3 each, and are a dead ringer for the ones in Aimee's pics, Google Images also provides plenty of pics of Immaculata babies, again they all look identical to Aimee's snails. If they have been sold to you as Aimee says, then they are Immacs. But if your margies produced them, then that means your suturalis, arn't suturalis. I'd also advise using your own pics on your ads, that would help stop snails being sold as the wrong species, as people would be able to see they're not margies and could inform you before this happened!
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Post by Evil Angel on Nov 11, 2012 15:41:51 GMT
I do think a mat would work well if pressed into two tanks, but I personally can't sandwich my matts due to the fact my tanks have to all be stacked on top of each other as have no space in my flat. And I've found that with storage tubs they are either slanted or have lids that stick over and would prevent the sides of the tanks touching anyway.. I'm thinking of putting the waterproof mat on the side of my tank, it's seems to be a good size with a decent wattage, that I hope might warm up better than the normal mats! But if that doesn't work, I think I'll try puting it inside, with lots of folded capillary matting to subdue the heat, then my substrate on top.. It's not going to be housing anything until it's perfect, so no harm im trying it! If both of those methods fail, I'll try the cables in the same way, as they're lower wattage might work better underneath.. Like I say, it's only a test tank really that will house my babies if I manage to get it right, but in the meantime I'm only using it to play around with, so will give plenty of different things a go! I just really want to find a cheap and effective way of heating this tank so I get ideas of how I can improve all my larger tanks too!
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Post by Evil Angel on Nov 10, 2012 21:13:06 GMT
I really would like to try that mat inside my new tub, but as I'm going to have to do it to all my tanks eventually I need to keep it cheap.. So, would just a folded piece of capillary matting on top of it be enough to stop it cooking my snails?
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Post by Evil Angel on Nov 10, 2012 18:36:14 GMT
My partner loves the cold, so even though it's winter he has the windows open and the fan going, and our house never gets warm even in summer, so I always have a lot of trouble getting my tanks the right temps! I found a smaller size of that mat 15x15cm, which would be a better size for my 24L tub, not sure whether to just put it under the tank or whether to try placing it inside..
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Post by Evil Angel on Nov 10, 2012 18:21:51 GMT
That splash mat does seem good and am really tempted to try it!
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Post by Evil Angel on Nov 10, 2012 18:19:08 GMT
One of my tanks is 'perfect', it is a 110l tub, and has 2 huge heat mats which cover both the long sides of the tank + foil and polystyrene (it's a real eye-sore!), and although I'm getting really good readings, I don't like the fact it doesn't have a cool side, so don't want to and can't afford to do it to all of my tanks, so was hoping to find a better way of getting the stats I need! As I said, I find it almost impossible to attach mats to the side well enough for heat to be forced into the tank, the heat is just lost completely no matter how hard I try! So I think the only way I'm going to get it right is with a correctly sized heat mat for under the tank. But I did try it before and used a mat that was over half and one of my snails sadly got cooked, so as you can imagine I am nervous about trying it again and want to make sure I get the right size/wattage mat! I'm just finding it so hard finding the right balance between cooking the snails and heat mat doing nothing! I've been trying to get it right for 3 years now and I'm so close to just packing it all in because I just can't get it right!!
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Post by Evil Angel on Nov 10, 2012 17:09:42 GMT
After constantly battling with my tanks to get them the right temps/PH, they've ended up completely covered in bubblewrap, looking a right state and they still aren't even giving the right stats! And so I've decided to ditch them completely and start again! I'm starting with my 'baby tank', and as it only needs to be small I have ordered a 24L plastic storage tub. To help keep heat and humidity up, I'm only going to be drilling a small amount of holes in it. But I'm not sure what I should do in the way of actually heating it. I'm absolutely RUBBISH at attaching heat mats to the side, they are never flush with the side and I can never attach the foil/ploystyrene so it fits nice and snug to it, and as a result the mats dont even keep themselves warm never mind creating the temps I want! So should I try under tank heating maybe? The size tubs I ordered are 43(L) x 32(W) x 24(H) cm, and therefore I think the size heat mats I should be looking at for under-heating would be roughly 20x20 cm, but the only heat mats that come in this size are the exo terra ones, and although they sound really good, reviews from other people have said that not only do they not heat up at all, they can also go funny and start melting and burning down the house, so am reluctant to use them. But I cannot find any other mats that would fit under! Would a 4"x5" habistat do the job? I'm worried it might be too small, but then the next size up 6"x11" would be too big... I'm sick of heat mats never heating enough, but don't want to risk cooking my snails either, so really need some help! I want 25'C-30'C temps and 80-90% humidity, how can I heat my tanks enough to achieve this? Please help! Thanks!
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Post by Evil Angel on Nov 10, 2012 13:19:21 GMT
~~~~ ALL SOLD! ~~~~
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Post by Evil Angel on Nov 9, 2012 22:06:32 GMT
Beautiful snails! Love your tank set-ups!
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Post by Evil Angel on Nov 9, 2012 9:33:34 GMT
Glad Princess arrived safe and sound! It's still weird not seeing her in the tank! LOVE your glass snail by the way! And Libby is AMAZING!!! Never seen a fulica that big before! ;D
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Post by Evil Angel on Nov 9, 2012 8:30:23 GMT
I've bought things from them before (for stick insects), and while it looks good in their pictures, it is normally way over priced for what it actually is, and you could defo make something more suitable yourself for £10! The height is too high and the lengthxwidth is too small, if kept on its side it would be better, but I can't see any way at all of modifying it! Something like Helix or Cepaea may be ok, you could always put a tub of soil in for them (it would easier to destroy/remove eggs that way). But I defo wouldn't put GALS in it. It's really not hard to make a large RUB for them, and they go the distance, whereas I think this would start to fall apart after a couple of years use as most of their stuff does! P.S I use supermarket stuff too, as my snails get through 2 whole romain lettuces in one feeding, it would work out very pricey! So I use the supermarket's range of veg and make sure I wash it all throughly, and had no problems using it in all the years I've kept snails!
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Post by Evil Angel on Nov 9, 2012 8:15:58 GMT
Dont be too disappointed! Immacs are still nice snails! I really wanted some myself but just can't find the tank space at the mo! Plus you got your beautiful little guys for free!
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Post by Evil Angel on Nov 8, 2012 22:06:28 GMT
Immacs are cheaper, about £3-£5 each whereas for Ovums £5-£8
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Post by Evil Angel on Nov 8, 2012 21:42:49 GMT
Is it Fulica from ebay? I noticed they used my beige ovum pic, and the pic of my light tiger as the 'babies'
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Post by Evil Angel on Nov 7, 2012 19:05:57 GMT
I love the picture of Garfield on your hand, he looks huge and very handsome! Also love the albino slugs!! I want one! ;D
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SPAM
Nov 5, 2012 20:52:54 GMT
Post by Evil Angel on Nov 5, 2012 20:52:54 GMT
Something needs to be done for sure! Six pages of SPAM already! Maybe IP block any computers posting it?
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Post by Evil Angel on Nov 5, 2012 20:50:05 GMT
be careful with these guys, they spread like wild-fire in tanks and will over populate your tank and eventually this will cause your fish to die due to the snails making your tank over-stocked.
Buy Assassin snails. They will eat all these snails and are very unlikely to breed, they are also very attractive snails, and are VERY easy to keep. I keep them in all my tanks now to make sure I never get another out-break!
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Post by Evil Angel on Nov 3, 2012 12:35:24 GMT
if you've added any live plants to your tank, they will almost always carry snails or egg sacks, we had 2 thousand of these common pond snails hatch out in our tank a month after setting it up. So we bought 20 assassin snails, and they ate every last one of the common snails in about 2 weeks. Assassins are very pretty snails too, so I keep a good few of them in all my tanks as a safty measure!
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Post by Evil Angel on Oct 22, 2012 10:07:07 GMT
Most of my adults came from ebay, so I always assumed they were just so inbred that new lines had formed from all having the same pink apex genes and it had slowly gotten to the point where the whole shell was an orange-yellow as no good genes had been added to correct it and it had created these strange shells, most ebay people probably thought it was normal (as I say some people even thought they were Jades), and so I questioned their health and I was never keen on them anyway so never let them breed with my Jadatzis and I never kept their eggs either so don't have any examples to show sadly. I used to breed show quality rats so know a lot about line breeding in colours and how to create colours that arn't even present in the current line and have good knowledge on rat genetics, so much of my ideas on how/why these jadatzis came about is based on that knowledge, but how much of that extends to snails I don't know... But always thought it must be like how there are the light silver, grey and brown skins of fulica and rodatzi, some of the jadatzi had formed slightly different shell variants, as you can't get 'dark albinos' (as albino means no pigmentation) so Jadatzi could only be albino skin (as anything with pigmentation would be rodatzi), so the only way a good line of jadatzis could mutate is by changing shell colour slightly or starting to throw light rodatzis babies, both made by the same gene being present in both parents over and over until it was strong enough to show through to a noteable extent. Take the blue rat for instance, it is a 'new' colour, the first pair (to my knowledge) being found in a pet shop. The male was gone by the time the woman returned to buy the pair, but she still took the female, and by breeding with pure black rats (only carry black genes, so babys would take black dominant genes from black father and the other gene would be the blue recessive from the mother) and with a certain amount of line breeding (breeding the blue gene carrying babies back to the mother), she managed to create whole new blue lines, so as far as I am aware, blues were created by a petshop inbreeding rats until a new mutation formed, and someone turned them from a single 'mutant' rat into a whole new form. Therefore Jadatzi would be the albino-yellow version of fulica, as the blue rats are simply blue forms, then as from blue if you add pink eyes to the genes, it dilutes the coat and gives you silvers, the same thing could happen influencing the 'peach' shells. So always thought it was the same thing that had happened with the strange jadatzis I recieved, and I therefore never referred to them as jadatzis as always believed jadatzi are yellow-shell+albino-body only, and pigmented skin babies were 'rodatzi', brown shells and albino skin were 'jades', and as they didn't fall in with any of these, in my notes I always called them 'fulica var' as never had a correct name for the mutations I recieved. My snails were bought about 2 years ago, possibly being relatives of your adults: a very inbred line creating these strange genes, then being sold to various people, again being inbred and sold and then we buy the babies from seperate places assuming they are unrelated but in actual fact they are simply cousins which when bred together reproduce the darker, peachy shells again? I'm no expert at when it comes to creating different snail forms, but from what I know of rat genetics the above is simply the best conclusion I was ever able to draw...
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Post by Evil Angel on Oct 21, 2012 22:39:01 GMT
I've seen these loads of times, in fact sick to death of ebay sellers sending me these, i've even reciieved these when expected jades!! I now have to actually tell people I'm only interested in the proper yellow-shelled and albino-boby jadatzi. These don't look very attractive as older snails imo, the pink apex is out-grown to white and your left with this weird orange shells, albino is recessive gene so possible that the darker dominant genes are slowly breaking through in the gene lines?
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Post by Evil Angel on Oct 19, 2012 20:56:33 GMT
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Post by Evil Angel on Oct 19, 2012 20:51:18 GMT
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Post by Evil Angel on Oct 19, 2012 20:48:18 GMT
Achatina Achatina Biege and albino
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